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Does anyone know how it was with the Czechoslovak aid in Vietnam. Specifically, whether North Vietnam used Czechoslovak weapons and to what extent. Especially with the vz.58 and vz.61 submachine guns, I would be interested to know.
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Well, I'll start by saying for sure! Bohemian weapons were used and they were quite widespread! There are also pictures of anti-aircraft machine guns of Czechoslovak manufacture captured in Cambodia and the VC, I will write something more extensive and precise later, I am not such an expert on personal weapons to list all the interesting types captured in the photos off the top of my head...
But in parallel with the personal weapons, the NVAF, i.e. the North Vietnamese Air Force, started with our Trainers! Idea
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And if you've seen e.g. Platoon/ Squad, so there have found in the village just csl. machine guns, yelling it to myself... Wink
It's a movie, but in real life really have been expanded, but as I wrote above, a little later..
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Well, I got it mostly from the movie. I remember that in Green Berets, John Wayne (I think it was him, I saw it a long time ago) spoke in this style: "Soviet weapons - Soviet communists, Chinese weapons - Chinese communists, Czechoslovak ammunition - Czechoslovak communists."
And yesterday I watched Full Metal Jacket and it seemed to me that the vz.58 appeared more often on the Vietnamese side than, for example, the akacko. At one point a Vietnamese woman got three Yanks with it over a pretty long distance, so I'm interested.
Btw. I'll check Platoon in the near future, I've had it at home for a while but haven't looked at it yet.
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Quote - Diestl :

I would be interested in the vz.58 and vz.61 submachine guns.


I would also be interested in this matter and would be happy to wait for a photo to convince me of this. The Sa-61 Scorpion Confused: that doesn't look right to me.
The Sa-58 may have replaced the Kalashnikovs in the movies.
If there are no photos, maybe give a link where I can be convinced of this information.
Thanks.
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Anyway, interesting topic. But anyway, there are a number of photos of the perfectly common Model 59s shipped to Vietnam, which were Chinese copies of AK-47s, most of which you can tell by the folding bayonet. I was just referencing in the beginning that I'd have to check the literature to see if I could find a photo there, I'm mainly referring to Ground War Vietnam Part I and Part II by Squadron. I don't have it with me, I don't know. But otherwise, Czechoslovak weapons did indeed get imported into North Vietnam.
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Quote - Diestl :

Do you know what happened with the Czechoslovak aid in Vietnam. Specifically, if North Vietnam used Czechoslovak weapons and to what extent. Especially with the vz.58 and vz.61 submachine guns, I would be interested to know.



Yeah, and for Fridrich, if you read the question, I was responding to "what was it with Czechoslovak aid in Vietnam, if the Vietnams used Czechoslovak weapons and in what measure" I'll have to leave that next one to consulting my sources. So I don't question your "failure" to do so, just in case it refers to those two specific types, otherwise we find Czechoslovak-made weapons quite abundantly represented in the VC and NVA.


And for all intents and purposes, it still has to be said that Jiri Novak made a decent weapon. Here is a comparison of AK-47 and vz. 58.
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I had, or have doubts about the two mentioned weapons, i.e. Sa-58 and Sa-61.
Otherwise, I believe that the Czechoslovak-made weapons were used by the Vietnamese, wherever they came from.
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Well yeah, I don't dare to say that about those two types, if you asked me about some details about eras or choppers, I would say that without consulting the sources, but I don't dare to say that about those types of small arms.
I'll let you know about the weekend after I look through the stack of books, I can't get to them now... But the subject definitely tempts me to find out Shocked
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I'll also try to look into it and see. Recently on the Scorpion, i.e. Sa-61 some booklet came out, I guess from the publisher. Naše vojsko, before that came out Kalashnikov.

Maybe in that book there might be a mention of the use of this weapon abroad 8) .
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Great, I'll check out the other Czechoslovak types I find in the photos from Nam, I'll leave the technical parameters to you, I'm sure you know them better... I can take a look at these books too, I saw them in the library, so I'll check them out too.
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Well, I just threw that scorpion in there, but of course I'm interested in it too. It's far less likely, though, than the 23,24,25,26 submachine guns, isn't it? I mean, probably the other two. I doubt the Vietnamese would have fired a 9 mm machine gun.
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They only mention Czechoslovakian help:


http://jhspecial.webpark.cz/vietnam.htm
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The North Vietnamese were supported from Czechoslovakia mainly by ammunition, which was of high quality. Apart from the Czechoslovak military advisors, there were also Czechoslovak doctors.
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Paul, even the doctors? I know there was a Czech "mash" in Korea, but in Vietnam, I haven't heard of it. Don't you have more information?


Otherwise I agree about the ammo, even in the Green Berets there John Wayne discusses it I think over a box of mortar mines or something like that Smile Ammo for sure, I can't tell you about the guns, I'm not that interested Sad
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I read the memoirs of a Czech military doctor, a colonel, who was in North Vietnam during the conflict and treated difficult cases. These were, I think, only individuals, not in any way some doctors just behind the front lines. these were specialists in their fields and I think, if I remember correctly, they were deep in the rear.
Communist Czechoslovakia simply could not help the "brotherly Vietnamese people" in this fight against South Vietnam and the U.S.
Otherwise, several Czechs also fought on the other side in the ranks of the U.S. Army - naturalized Czechoslovaks from the U.S. Even before that, when the French were fighting here, many Czechs also fought here (again on the other side, against the North Vietnamese) as part of the French Foreign Legion.
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If I'm not mistaken, Dan Kamas wrote some work about those Czechoslovak doctors. The hospital may have been in Haiphong, but I may be lying.
The North Vietnamese used a V3S chassis mounted vz.53/59 anti-aircraft gun from Czechoslovak weapons, and a few pieces of the vz.26 machine gun from China made it to Vietnam, but that was back in the Viet Minh days. I don't recall anything else.
In the movie Platoon, although in the original Heim subtitles they find Czechoslovak machine guns in the village, I believe they are talking about vz.58 in the original. Whether they were actually in Vietnam, I don't know.
Czechoslovak members of the French Foreign Legion actually fought in Vietnam, several were captured and returned to Czechoslovakia via the Soviet Union. Quite possibly some are still alive (at least they were last year).
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Well I just threw that scorpion in there, but of course I'm interested in it too. It's far less likely than the 23,24,25,26? I mean, probably the other two. I doubt the Vietnamese would shoot a 9mm submachine gun.

Just a couple of minor points: the Scorpions (Sa-61 in 7.65mm Browning) may be suitable as a weapon for gangsters who don't have the IMI 9mmPara, but certainly not for military use - a soldier armed with this weapon would be severely handicapped against an M-16 or similar assault rifle.
Not at all - the Scorpion was originally intended as a weapon for paratroopers. When it was discovered how susceptible the breech's metal case was to deformation by impact, this idea was quickly abandoned. Given the high proportion of Soviet weapons, I would have expected the Stechkin in 9mm Mak to be more of a subsidiary weapon for artillerymen, tankers, etc.
The so-called "pump action" submachine guns, i.e., the vz.23 and 25 in 9mm Para or the vz.24 and 26 in 7.62mm Tokarev(the first "bullpups", the forefathers of the Israeli IMI), excellent weapons though they were, were hardly in Vietnam. They fought in Israel, Cuba and all over the place, but I strongly doubt SE Asia.
Mostly because supply is the biggest problem and it is desirable to unify ammunition.
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Yeah, those anti-aircraft guns, that was called "hawk", wasn't it?
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noy assault rifles and compact machine guns, that's quite a difference. But I think shooting a small Vz.61 submachine gun is much more pleasant than a Steckin, most full-auto pistols are not worth much.
a propos: my dad, when he was still importing austrian Glocks, was once shown full-auto shooting from a Glock18. everyone who tried to shoot it hit the first dead shot and the rest of the shots were everywhere but where they were supposed to be. Only their main factory shooter (young mr. Glock was pretty mad at him for being the best) hit those dead shots the first two and then the result was the same. these guns are really only good for terrorists.
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The unification of ammunition is one thing, on the other hand, on both sides were used ( admittedly non-standardly ) in fact all kinds of weapons that were available Kar, Mosin, MGčka, all American French and Soviet infantry weapons and a lot of others, e.g. FAL, Sten, Supposedly the best weapon for fighting in the densely wooded jungle is the Spagin, because of the cadence and the content of the cartridge. It sounds unbelievable, but the Spagin has also been used in Iraq this year. Several were captured by the Americans in Afghanistan and are now being used in "raids" in Iraq. If I can find a photo, I'll throw it up here. On the other hand, there were some curious weapons used in Vietnam, e.g. the Seals used special versions of the M60 and M4, which, although proven, were never deployed on the battlefield again, so Vietnam has its "special" weapons as well.


As for the Legion, I would also like to point out that a pretty substantial number of Wehrmacht soldiers served in it. Many of them were veterans from the east and served in paratroop units. However, it is extremely difficult to find information about them... Some remained in it until the Algerian Civil War.
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Oki, taktu je to foto Špaginov z IRAKU. Možno je to trochu off topic, ale niekoho to možno zaujíma...



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ty amici, co tohle tahaj musi bejt fakt magori. ne, ze by to byla spatna zbran(i kdyz kdo vi jak je to stary a co uz to ma za sebou), ale zaroven s sebou tahat nestandardni strelivo...a vubec by pro ne bylo urcite jednodussi vzit si M4.
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Veď hej, ale keby som mal na CQB voliť medzi PPSh a M4, tak beriem špagin. Je oveľa spratnejší a s väčšou kapacitou zásobníku. Oni asi vedia, prečo ho používajú... Munícia sa predsa dá objednať aj z USA. Veď to nieje žiadna zákopová vojna, keždý večer sa vojaci vracajú na svoje základne, kde si dopĺňajú muníciu a všetko ostatné. Zásobovanie funguje a keď sa tam nájde priestor na hocaké serpetičky, tak niekoľko krabíc 7,62 predsa nemúže byť problém nie ?
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Back to the topic. I found some photos of Viet Cong weapons. On the photo no.1 are circled :
no.1 - M3 submachine gun
no.2 - Thompson submachine gun
no.3 - BAR
no.4 - Maxim ( 1910 ? )



The other photos are of a special modification of the M60 ( M63 )and the first under-slung grenade launcher on the M16.






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The topic is Czechoslovak weapons in Vietnam, but so be it. The elevated grenade launcher is an XM148. I don't know where to look for the modified M60, I see a Stoner 63 in LMG configuration in the third photo, like the Mk23 in the fourth photo (the one with the M16 grenade launcher).
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Yes, STONER M63. I don't know how identical this weapon is to the M60 or any other weapon, it's supposed to be the next evolutionary variant, but that's just off the top of my head right now, no paperwork. If it's not, I apologize.







PS: well, there is a "guns in Vietnam" forum started by Machine Gun Rick, but I probably wouldn't put those pics there because it seems a bit chaotic. So apologies for the off topic. Anyone want to start a forum e.g. "Infantry Weapons in Vietnam"?
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The Stoner 63 has nothing to do with the M60, in my opinion even the M63 designation is incorrect. Stoner's "jigsaw" was designated SWS 63A (Stoner Weapon System) and that probably gave rise to the misnomer M63, or M63A1. The weapon was not officially adopted, so it shouldn't even have an M-something designation, I think the Army tested it under the designation XM207. In the Navy, the designation Mk23 mod.0 was the Commando variant, with the shorter barrel (it's in the first photo). The second photo shows the weapon again assembled in LMG (light machine gun) configuration, with a longer barrel. You can also notice that the gun has a different ammo belt box each time, and could be loaded from the right or the left, depending on which side the belt was fed from. Otherwise there is a photo of a seal stoner without a stock.
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Thanks for the additional info. I got all this info from an American forum. I don't know if the Seals deployment counts as "combat" or another test, either way people agree that it was an extremely advanced weapon. Further, I've come across claims that this weapon had interchangeable parts with the M60, but I have not CONFIRMED this, and another "rumor" I've heard is that multiple types of 7.62mm ammunition could be used, supposedly including Russian 7.62x54, but I don't know if this was after some sort of parts swap, or just a no-prep. But I say, I don't see into it that much, so thanks for the clarification. Shall we start a separate topic ????
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If we're still talking about the Stoner 63A, it fired a 5.56 x 45mm round. So I'd see the 7.62 rounds as a rumor. I'm also wondering in vain which parts could be interchanged with the M60. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. There was interchangeability of parts in the SWS 63A, but interchangeability between them. The whole "weapon system" was a jigsaw puzzle that could be assembled into six (seven) configurations - assault rifle, carbine, automatic rifle, lavaleted machine gun, universal and light machine gun. Plus the Commando version with the shortened barrel, that was made for the use of the SEALs in Vietnam in 1969. The assault rifle and carbine were bottom-loading (from a magazine), as is common with similar weapons. In other configurations, the body of the weapon was turned "upside down" and loaded from the top. You can see from this that it was an interesting weapon, but it was not accepted into the arsenal. It is most famous just from the SEALs use in Vietnam. I don't feel the need to start a thread about guns, but get back to me at Smile.
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I wrote you a message. Apparently my source is more than unreliable. And here I thought the Yanks would know ConfusedMy last doubts were dispelled by this photo.
So sorry and I hope it doesn't happen to me again. Rolling Eyes


PS: You have an interesting site, too bad I only discovered it now Sad


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Since there were cartel agreements within the RVHP and the Vasa Treaty and the USSR unfortunately (maybe fortunately) did not draw lots with infantry weapons...so the appearance of the vz.58 is probably more of a coincidence.

The 58 was little exported abroad, yet they have more of them in the Holywood Fund than Kalashnikovs (e.g. the movie Green Ice from the 80s before the fall of the Iron Curtain)


It is interesting that Czechoslovakia tried to adapt the Vz 58 to the 223 rem cartridge, which Vitenam had plenty of as trophy material. There was an article about it in SR or SM. Unfortunately, the adaptation was not "commercially" successful ....
I have information from memoirs that mortars were exported to Vitam, which were produced (well, only components, assembly was done in armament factories) in many Prague industrial plants.


The only really successful Czechoslovakian adaptation of the 58 58 was the one that was made in Prague. The only successful weapon was the Semtex, a successful imitation of British plastic, not counting the anti-aircraft barrel complexes, withdrawn from PVOS and replaced by Soviet-made missiles...


Note: Most of the Scorpions moving in the world are not of Czechoslovak origin but are foreign licenses....
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It's interesting that Czechoslovakia tried to adapt the Vz 58 to the 223 rem cartridge, ....

Not only that. I've also handled an "octopadesatka" chambered for the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge. Along with other interesting development guns, it was in the collections of the Brno Prototype in the early 90s.
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Shocked Shooting a 58 on a 7.62x51 with a folding butt stock batch would have to be a proper experience ( for my shoulder ). 8.)


Speaking of 58's abroad, I saw a photo of some African warrior with this weapon in a combat manual some time ago. He looked to be more from some raguler unit, or government I don't know, but he was well dressed and equipped by African standards...


And try to guess where this photo is from Very Happy


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To be clear what kind of cartridges they are and how big they are, I searched in my collection... From left: (DESIGNATION/ENERGY/WAR/COUNTRY OF ORIGIN/COLLECTION)


30.06 Spr./ 3800J/ WWI, WWII, ++/ US / Browning 1918, M 1917,
8mm Mauser 8*57/3200 J/ WWI,WW2 / D / Mauser 1889
Mosin 7,62*53/ 3700 J/WWI, WWII,++/ RUS/ Mosin 1891
308.Win.- 7.62*51 NATO/3400 J/ WWII,++/ US/ M1 Garand
223 Rem. 5.56*45/1800 J/ ++/ US/ M 16
vz 43 - 7.62*39 / 2200 J/ WWII, ++/RUS/ Simonov,AK47


(I have the Manlicher, Cargano and Lebel in another box and it's a different war...)



to Aranai
if it is India or Pakistan ..according to Bren who is often seen in footage from Kashmir disputing that territory, plus a lot of army surplus from the 90's went to India....Tatras, T72, BVP and who knows what else....
Československé zbraně - foto z webové kamery

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I would say Vietnam. And for 3 reasons:
1. The topic is about weapons in Vietnam
2. The Uyans in the picture are so... yellowish
3. The picture is called cz_viet_sa58.jpg
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Citace - Capssman :

Ja by som povedal že Vietnam. A to z 3 dôvodov:
1. Téma je o zbraniach vo Vietname
2. Ujovia na obrázku sú taký... požltší
3. Obrázok sa volá cz_viet_sa58.jpg

Dobrý pokus, ale ide skutočne o Indiu, tú fotku som tak nazval iba preto, aby som vedel, že ju mám skopírovať do tohto fóra, ktoré je o Vietname. Je to trochu komická situácia, že sa dve zbrane ČS pôvodu ( Bren a Sa58 ) takto stretávajú znovu, keď si uvedomíme, že u nás vlastne súbežne nikdy neslúžili a tu slúžia stále v BOJI !


Dúfam, že to neberiete ako Offtopic, je to skôr taká zaujímavosť...


PS: sorry že ešte offtopicujem, ale mám taký problém a pozerám, že sú tu aj ľudia, čo majú prístup k munícií, potreboval by som zohnať pásové 7,62x54 náboje, samozrejme deaktivované. Môže mi niekto z vás pomôcť ? Neodkazujte ma prosím na burzu, lebo tam to nezoženiem, toto je len taký pokus, výstrel do tmy... Nevie náhodou niekto pomôcť ?
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To jsem jěště neviděl aby amíci v IRÁKU používaly ppš- 41 ky to je zajímavé
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As I browse these old forums, somehow the photo posted by Aranai on January 20, 2005 doesn't seem to show a BREN machine gun - the magazine is too straight for that, the BREN has a much more pronounced curve. It looks more like one of the ZB 26 versions for the original Mauser cartridge. There are still tons of them floating around the world (though there are more BRENs).
Anyone who considers the Spagin an old clunker should consider that it has excellent penetration, can be "kept on the spot" even with a long burst, and with the drum has a large ammo supply at a reasonable cadence. For combat use, high fouling resistance is also not negligible. For street fighting and "cleaning" buildings, it is still an excellent gun.
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Fantan- jestli na té fotce není Bren L4, nebo jak se jmenuje, ta poválečná verze na střelivo NATO. Ta měla tuším zásobník takhle rovný.


Jo, je to on- viz https://www.valka.cz/files/bren.jpg
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No pekny fotky a myslim ze je to o valce takze offtopic ani ne.... Very Happy
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povedlo se mi sehnat na mýho mazlika https://www.valka.cz/download.php/id/45234
stojan s lafetou vytrženej ze shnilýho muta údajně vrácenýho z vietnamskýho konfliktu (stav by tomu odpovídal) vzhledem k tomu že M60 startuje ve full autu na cca 8000 dolarech a zavařenku sem neviděl tak sem uvažoval o umístění kulometu vz. 59 těžká hlaveň - jakože trofejní - takže tímto prosím přítomné o názor na používání kulometů vz. 59 ve vietnamu
díky
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SA-58 v rukou příslušníka 173rd Airborne Brigade.
Podle dvojčíslí na okraji fotografie lze předpokládat že se jedná o rok 1966.
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Zdravím, jak píší kolegové, munice z ČSSR do Severního Vietnamu vyvážela ve velkém, mám dojem že po Číně a SSSR jsme byli třetí nejvýznamnější dovozce střeliva všech druhů. Ovšem nechyběly ani pěchotní zbraně - např. o kulometech vz.59 jsem zmínky nebo fotky nenašel, na několika vzácných fotografiích však lze spatřit příslušníky americké armády s kořistními Sa vz.58 získanými přímo ve Vietnamu nebo v Kambodži, kam se rovněž vyvážely. Jejich počty nebyly patrně nijak závratné, s počtem AK-47 a zejména jeho čínské kopie "pušky vz. 56" se to nedá v žádném případě srovnat.
Na internetu jsem kdysi objevil rovněž potvrzení alespon okrajového použítí Sa vz.61 Škorpion. Renomovaný americký dealer militárií z období vietnamské války nabízel za slušnou sumu kořist, kterou v roce 1968 nebo 1969 (přesné datum už nevím, je to dlouho co jsem to viděl) získal během hlídky u letiště příslušník amerického letectva. Jako strážný - psovod překazil útok několika severovietnamských ženistů, kteří plánovali zničit letadla na ploše. Jednoho zabil a nechal si jeho věci včetně zbraně (byl to právě Sa vz.61), které po skončení turnusu odvezl s sebou do USA. Škorpion byl úředně znehodnocený a byl k němu stejně jako k ostatním věcem (sumka, opasek, pouzdro na granáty a jakási torna) vystaven vojenský úřední doklad potvrzující, že se jedná o řádně registrovanou válečnou kořist. Soudruzi z NVA tedy pár Škorpionů měli...
Československé zbraně - fotka z prosince 1967, kdy příslušník 173. výsadkové brigády americké armády zkouší v prostoru Dak To ukořistěný Sa vz.58 V československé výroby
FOTO: zaslal kamarád, veterán z USA, který je sehnal někde na internetu

fotka z prosince 1967, kdy příslušník 173. výsadkové brigády americké armády zkouší v prostoru Dak To ukořistěný Sa vz.58 V československé výroby
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Tak jsem tady narazil i na použití protileteckého kanonu vz.53 ,nemáte náhodou někdo nějakou fotku z vietnamskou obsluhou? Moc bymi to pomohlo.
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No já nic nevím ale něco už sem o něm slyšel.
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Když už se to tu otevřelo, tak jedna trochu neznámá informace stran vývozu naší vojenské techniky do Vietnamu.V období Vietnamské války byly ve Vietnamu vyvezeny i letouny Aero L-29 Delfín (12 kusů) z nichž byla zformována jedna letka v rámci 910.školního pluku na letišti Gia Lam (bohužel, přesná výrobní čísla dodaných letounů jsou mi neznámá nicméně pokud by někdo tušil, budu rád pokud se pochlubí).Dále zde sloužily i letouny Aero Ae-45 a Zlin Z-226 Trenér nicméně u nich mi přesnější zařazení doby dodání dosud chybí (spekuluje se o roce 1956 kdy měly být zařazeny k některé škole létání).


Čistě pro zajímavost potom uveďme že Vietnam dnes používá české/československé letouny L-39C (přímo se dodalo 24kusů a dalších 10 dostali v roce 2003 od Poláků) a také bývalé české letouny Su-22UM-3K, které měl odkoupit po jejich vyřazení z AČR v roce 2002 (bohužel, podložení této informace z oficiálních zdrojů dosud chybí).Původně s nimi měly být odkoupeny i letouny Su-22M4 nicméně z jejich odprodeje dle dostupných skutečností sešlo.
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Citace - Darkfold :

Čistě pro zajímavost potom uveďme že Vietnam dnes používá české/československé letouny L-39C (přímo se dodalo 24kusů a dalších 10 dostali v roce 2003 od Poláků)

Ale Tomáši, copak Poláci používali Albatrosy? Crying or Very sad
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L-39C 8727 Vietnamského letectva: www.airliners.net



A ešte jeden, tentoraz L-39ZA (v.č. 365406 ?) Thajského kráľovského letectva www.airliners.net


L-39ZO Albatros 1938 (131938) z Lýbie - www.airliners.net a www.airliners.net
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Citace - Tango :

Citace - Darkfold :

Čistě pro zajímavost potom uveďme že Vietnam dnes používá české/československé letouny L-39C (přímo se dodalo 24kusů a dalších 10 dostali v roce 2003 od Poláků)

Ale Tomáši, copak Poláci používali Albatrosy? Crying or Very sad



Samozřejmě že ne a to je na tom právě to zajímavé.


Akvizice na L-39C z let 2003-2004 byla oficiálně vydávána jako nákup z Polska (což prošlo tuším i L+K) jenže jak jsi správně podotknul, poláci L-39C (ani žádnou jinou verzi L-39) neprovozují takže teď stojí otázka odkud se vlastně vzaly a co to je vlastně za letadla...můj osobní tip je přeprodej Rusko-Polsko-Vietnam (možností je politická korektnost nenakupovat přímo z Ruska nicméně pokud si vzpomínám, vietnamci mají ve výzbroji i Flankery a ty se jinak než přímo snad ani koupit nedají) nicméně zatím se o tom můžeme pouze dohadovat...
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A nemohli to byť lietadlá vyradené z výzbroje SRN? Vietnam má z Ruskom docela dobré vzťahy (vrátane ruskej vojenskej základne) takže takéto nákupy cez tretiu stranu snáď robiť nepotrebuje..
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Těžko říct.Vím že z německa šlo kolem dvaceti L-39 do Maďarska ale co se stalo se zbytkem (měli mít 52 L-39 a dvě L-39V) mi bohužel známo není.
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Tak jsem se teď díval na databázi SIPRI (od roku 1990) a jediný vývoz L-39 z Německa bylo 20 kusů do Uherska.
Jediné vývozy letecké techniky z Polska do Vietnamu byly čtyři An-2 a dva M-28B.
Zato podle této databáze Vietnam v roce 2003 koupil deset L-39 přímo od nás.
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10 L-39 od nás?Předpokládám že bližší podrobnosti by k této akvizici asi nebyly...?
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Škorpion ve Vietnamu.
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