Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso?

Kde je pochovaný Kurt Knispel - tankové eso?

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Panzer, the post about Kurt Knispel I was very interested, because very few facts are known about this tank essay. Recently, I received a Russian translation of Franz Kurowski's book "Nemeckije tankovyje asy" (Moscow, 2007). At the end of the chapter on K. Knispel, I came across information that differs from the data given in your contribution. This is the date and circumstances of K. Knispel's death. (I am not saying that in Kurowski's book there are only exact data and in other sources they are inaccurate, I only offer them as an alternative or additional source of information).


F. Kurowski states that sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle was moved to Wostitz (Vlasatice) on April 26, 1945. Over the next four days, this unit engaged in intense fighting (April 27-30, 1945). However, the author does not locate the space of these struggles. K. Knispel was also to fall in these battles on April 29, 1945, after destroying his last (168th) enemy tank on that day. On the same day, the Skoda feldwebel was to fall, trying to help K. Knispel's tank in a critical situation on his tank.


As for the date of death, in my opinion, the most likely indication will be "Deutsche Dienstelle". In your contribution, you write that this office mentions the village of Urbau (Vrbovec) as the site of K. Knispel's war grave. Your information that K.Knispel fell one day earlier on April 28, 1945 is based on this source?


As for the places of the last fight and burial of K. Knispel, your data based on the memories of Horst Bechtel seems to me to be the most credible. The village of Stronsdorf is located just a few kilometers across the Austrian-Czech border from the village of Vrbovec. It is quite probable that K. Knispel may have been mortally wounded at Stronsdorf and died as a result and was buried in or around Vrbovec. Respectively at Stronsdorf, he could fall and his body was taken away from the battlefield by his comrades-in-arms and buried at Vrbovec. As for the village of Vlasatie, they are already too far from these two places. I assume that F. Kurowski did not have such detailed information and mentioned Vlasatice in his book only because on April 26, 1945, he was in this village, or rather passed through it with PzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle. But the fighting itself apparently took place further southwest in the vicinity of Stronsdorf and Vrbovec.


Although the mayor of Vrbovec did not confirm that K. Knispel is buried in this village, I think that his war grave is more likely to be located there than in Vlasatice. (By the way, did the hairy mayor respond to your questions?). I assume that at the end of the war, during the fighting, the local civilian authorities did not register the buried. So at present, in my opinion, the mayor of Vrbovec cannot have any period documents on the basis of which he could confirm or refute the information about the place of K. Knispel's last rest. If records of buried soldiers were made even after crossing the front, it was mostly only about those who fell who were buried in the village or town cemetery. However, if the fallen soldiers were buried during the fighting, then the place of their war grave could be located anywhere in the cadastre of the village. (Does the "Deutsche Dienstelle" specify whether K. Knispel was buried in the local village cemetery in Vrbovce, or is it only stated that it is the "surroundings" of the village?).


P.S. I hope I'm not bothered with too many questions. Smile
P.P.S. I'm starting this debate a ton of times, but the editor-in-chief should probably move it to some appropriate place.
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Another thought concerning why K. Knispel was not awarded the Knight's Cross. In his book, F. Kurowski mentions a number of events in which K. Knispel's "military non-prescription" behavior manifested itself. This certainly played an important role in why he was not awarded this award despite repeated proposals. The other side of the coin, however, is the fact that the German army valued the "combat work" of the tank commander much higher than the tank shooter. That is why Michael Wittmann and Otto Carius acquired not only knight's crosses, but also oak branches (and M. Wittmann also swords). Unlike them, K. Knispel served most of the war as a tank gunner and only in the autumn of 1944 he became tank commander. In this function he destroyed 42 tanks (O.Carius destroyed more than 150 tanks and M.Wittmann destroyed 138 tanks).


Therefore, in my opinion, K. Knispel is more appropriate to compare to Balthasar Woll (shooter M.Wittmann) and to Heinz Kramer (shooter O.Carius). B.Woll served in the crew of Wittman's tank until February 1944 and destroyed 81 tanks. From the summer of 1944, he worked as a tank commander and credited his account with more than 20 destroyed tanks. H. Kramer served in the crew of Carius' tank until July 1944 and destroyed more than 50 tanks. He later became a tank commander. Until the autumn of 1944, K. Knispel served as a shooter in the crews of feldwebl Rippl and oberfeldwebl Hans Fendesack's tanks and destroyed 126 tanks (however, I could not find any information about the number of successes of his tank commanders). The fact remains, however, that unlike K. Knispel, both Wittmann's and Carius's shooter were awarded knight's crosses (B.Woll 16.1.1944 and H.Kramer 6.10.1944).
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Viktor:

Ad Kurowski: I take a considerably reserved attitude towards his works. If you look at his entire bibliography you will find that he is able to publish two books in a year, one of which is e.g. about Falschirmjäger and the other one is about tank aces! I think že serious publicist canžt cover such a range in such a short čtime span. I have about the same feeling about him as I do about Guido Knopp. But that's just my opinion. For a list of his works, see, e.g., here.

The Čo relates to the death of Knispel. Below I give a photocopy of the reply of the Deutsche Dienstelle, where Raum Znaim is given as the place of his death], i.e. the area of Znojmo, and as the place of repose Heldenfriedhof Urbau, Südostwärts Znaim, i.e. the Heroes' Cemetery in Vrbovec, southeast of Znojmo. I therefore contacted the local mayor to inquire about Knispel's final resting place. I have given the answer above. He is therefore apparently not lying in the local cemetery. However, I am confused by the Deutsche Dienstelle expression "Cemetery of Heroes"! Apparently it will be elsewhere, notž the village cemetery! It would be best to travel to these places in person, but I plan to do that až next year.

As for the mayor of Vlasatice, he did not reply to my e-mail. I will try again through the česque law on free access to information. However, if the mayor's father or grandfather died under the German guľguka, nor will I thank him, že will not tell some "Nazi" like I am for him.

btw: you don't bother with questions at all, I'm glad žthat you are interested. At least I see that Martin Drobňák ťa has described it faithfully enough - a guy who is serious about history Very Happy
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Thanks for the prompt reply. Very Happy Martin has said similar things about you, and the things I've read from you confirm it.


I looked at the Deutsche Dienstelle document with interest. Based on it, the question of where the Heldenfriedhof Urbau is located also started drilling in my head. If it was just a one-off war grave (individual or mass) it would not have been marked as a "heroes' cemetery". I have only encountered such a designation in those cases where soldiers were buried at the site for a period of time. In the case of small cemeteries, there may have been only a few individual and mass graves where soldiers were buried directly during the fighting in a short span of a few days. After the front moved, such a cemetery could no longer be used for burials for natural reasons. The Wehrmacht was more or less orderly in the burial of its fallen soldiers and in their registration until the end of the war (depending, of course, on the particular tactical situation at that particular section of the front). Therefore, I assume that information about the exact location of the Heldenfriedhof Urbau will be stored in the German archives. Have you tried contacting the "Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge" (http://www.volksbund.de)? Maybe this organization will not have information about which specific grave K.Knispel is buried in, but it should certainly have information that in which location of the Vrbovec municipality Heldenfriedhof Urbau is located.


P.S.
F.Kurowski and G.Knopp are by no means the only authors for whom there is reason to suspect that they are behind a "literary manufactory". In very many areas of commercial literary production, older established authors take younger and unknown authors as assistants. It is a mutually profitable bussiness whereby younger authors publish books under the name of the older one that no major publishing house would publish under their name and make money that way. The senior author also makes money (more than his assistants), and in addition, on the basis of their work (which he of course coordinates and edits), he further builds his reputation and increases his publication index... "C'est la vie", as Honoré de Balzac, who operated this system in the first half of the 19th century, would say. Wink


Personally, I am tolerant of authors like F.Kurowski and G.Knopp. I judge their books by the amount of information they convey to me as their reader. But of course I already filter their authors' opinions and interpretations. My evaluation of F.Kurowski is also influenced by when I get to his individual books. In the first half of the 1990s I devoured his book "Infantry Aces of the Third Reich" like a forbidden fruit until recently, and still in the second half of the 1990s I found quite a bit of new information in his book "German Submarine Aces" published by Mustang. But his next book translated into Czech - "The Cross Against the Star" was already very weak. For example, when I got to his "German Tank Aces" a few weeks ago, I rated that one as an interesting book for which I was not sorry to give money (I wish that could be said about all books... Crying or Very sad )
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Citace - Viktor :

Have you tried contacting the "Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge" (http://www.volksbund.de)? Maybe this organization will not have information about which specific grave K.Knispel is buried in, but it should certainly have information that in which location of the Vrbovec municipality Heldenfriedhof Urbau is located.




Thanks for the tip. I haven't written to them yet, I just tried their online search and learned the following:


Citace - Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge :


Zum Gedenken R2510243


Nachname: Knispel
Vorname: Kurt
Dienstgrad: Feldwebel
Geburtsdatum: 20.09.1921
Geburtsort: Salisfeld
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 28.04.1945
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Raum Znaim

Kurt Knispel konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden.

Die vorgesehene Überführung zum Sammelfriedhof in Brno-Zentralfriedhof (Tschechische Republik) war somit leider nicht möglich.


Sein Name wird im Gedenkbuch des Friedhofes verzeichnet.




So I have no choice but to try to write to them to see if they at least know the Heldenfriedhof Urbau.
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My German is only passive and I don't know if I translated those last three sentences correctly. What does "Umbettungsarbeiten" mean? Without that word, I don't understand if K.Knispel's remains have not been found, or if there hasn't even been an exhumation done at the place where he is buried. For what reason were his remains not taken to the German military cemetery in Brno?


I have tried to identify the military units that were deployed southeast of Znojmo at the end of April 1945 and took part in the fighting in which K.Knispel was killed on 28.4.1945. In the case of the German side it is relatively easy. His sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle was part of the Panzer Division "Feldherrnhalle 2" (Major General Dr. Franz Bake). This division was under the command of the Panzer Corps "Feldherrnhalle" (Panzer General Ulrich von Kleemann), which was part of the 8th Army (General of Mountain Troops Hans Kreysing). The German 8th Army operated within Army Group "Ostmark" (Colonel-General Dr. Lothar Rendulic).


In the case of the Red Army, the identification of the units standing against the Panzer Corps "Feldherrnhalle" at the end of April 1945 is considerably more difficult. I have gone through a number of sources, but have only been able to identify a specific Soviet army that was deployed southeast of Znojmo. It was the 9th Guards Army (Colonel General Vasily Vasilyevich Glagolev) of the 3rd Ukrainian Front (Marshal Fyodor Ivanovich Tolbuchin). However, I have not been able to determine the specific lower units at corps and division level that fought on 28.4.1945 in the vicinity of the village of Stronsdorf, near which K.Knispel was killed. Would anyone be able to help with the identification of these units of the 9th Guards Army? It would be enough to at least identify which of the three corps of this army was deployed at the end of April 1945 in that area (37th; 38th or 39th Guards Rifle Corps?). According to this, it would be possible to identify specific divisions as well as corps or army support units fighting in the wider area around Stronsdorf (this refers mainly to the tank and self-propelled gun formations in the fight against which K.Knispel's tank was hit).
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Citace - Viktor :

My mute is only passive and I don't know if I translated those last three sentences correctly. Čwhat does "Umbettungsarbeiten" mean? Without that word I don't understand či the remains of K.Knispel have not been found, or či the place where he is buried has not even been exhumed. For what reason were his remains not taken to the German military cemetery in Brno?


I also know German rather passively and therefore RoBoT helped me, to whom I hereby once again ďthank you.

Citace - Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge :

Surname (Nachname).
First name (Vorname): Kurt
Rank (Dienstgrad): Feldwebel
Data. born. (Geburtsdatum): 20.09.1921
Place of birth. (Geburtsort): Salisfeld
Date of death/infidelity (Todes-/Vermisstendatum): 28.04.1945
Place of death/infidelity (Todes-/Vermisstenort): Raum Znaim

Kurt Knispel could not beť transferred (extricated) as part of our remains transfer work. (Kurt Knispel konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden.)

For this reason, the intended transport to the Brno Central Cemetery (Česque Republic) was not possible (Die vorgesehene Überführung zum Sammelfriedhof in Brno-Zentralfriedhof (Tschechische Republik) war somit leider nicht möglich.)

His name is written in the cemetery's memorial book (Sein Name wird im Gedenkbuch des Friedhofes verzeichnet.)



Thus, from the above, underľa mňa, it is not clear či the Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge knows the place where Knispel is buried. If the location were known, it is not obvious čwhat could prevent theť transport of his remains to the Brno Central Cemetery. Moreover, the term geborgen can be translated as excavation, but tiežiť as transfer. Thus, either they know where he is but cannot transfer him, or they do not know where he lies and therefore cannot dig him up.

I understand, however, žthat the above sentences may not make ť any sense at all, because it is a machine response to a query entered via a form. Therefore, it will be necessary to write them a letter, because they do not reply to emails (at least it is stated on their website).

BTW: With Dolin už we have tentatively agreed on an event for next year with the working title In Knispel's Footsteps 2008, where Dolin has very kindly offered me accommodation and a motor vehicle for transfers. As an added bonus, he also offered his smallčkosť and a colleague who has mapped the region in question in detail in relation to WWII and tanks. I think že for a search for Knispel this is a more thanž decent basis Very Happy. Maybe with good preparation and a bit ofžasty weťll be able to look into the village chronicles, where perhaps thereď might be some records of Soviet troops fighting čand passing through these villages.
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to Panzer, if the site is known, a number of things can prevent the transfer, such as the fact that there is something standing there (like a road) or the site is on private land and the owner won't allow digging on it.
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Well, let's look at it from the other side. According to what I četl http://www.detektorweb.cz/index.4me#diskuse and basicallyě and also started on our hřbitově in Hrusky I would not be surprised in český shlendrian and the intention of pozěnu pozůestateů,..
But perhaps it has occurred,...... The VDK in Germany is something else than their branches in Slovakia and here,..

I don't know when the exhumation of German graves took place in this particular area and whether it was "correct".


To Panzer : Well those municipal chronicles are going to be a bit of a problem. Most of them are in the county archives, where there is a research řorder and research days. Plus, even if we wanted toěencourage they wouldnět let us research together - a huge advantage!!! Sad((
In the villages not much has happened from the chronicles. But we will try the memorial - hopefully it will last until then,... From this point of view, perhaps a colleague will help enough - I hope. He should have it mapped out from this point of view.
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Citace - Dolin404 :

Not much has happened in the villages from the chronicles. But let's try for a memorial - perhaps one that will last until then,... From this point of view, perhaps a colleague will help enough - I hope. He should have it mapped out from this point of view.

Guys, I don't give you much hope! This area was almost completely displaced and the old people who are still there are mostly second and third wave of post-WWII settlers (the first wave were gold diggers). Just Vrbovec, Havraníky, Nový Šaldorf - but actually the displaced belt extended more than 15-20 km inland.
Regardless of the fact that there is now intensive construction everywhere (only in Hodonice there are no building plots available) and therefore it is possible that the area of the former military hřbitov fell under construction.
Maybe the Znojmo District Archive or the archive of the monastery in Louka - only the papers will last longer.
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It's Panzer and Dolin404:


I am quite intrigued by your planned action. Will it be open to other possible "hitchhikers"? Smile Although 2008 is still far away, I could imagine taking a car and coming to the "destination region", which is not that far from Bratislava.


I looked at the link Dolin gave, but I only found the homepage with links. There's quite a lot there, so which particular link should I look for? I know how the system works for exhumations and transferring the remains of fallen soldiers to "catchment" military cemeteries, but that's the theory and I've only heard a few reports of the practice. I'm quite interested in this matter, so if any of you can recommend other similar resources to read, I'd be glad to.
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It's Fantan:


Thanks for the valuable comment. Do you happen to know if the displaced people from this region have an organization or a branch within a "landsmanschaft"? It might be worth trying to find out through such an organization if they have preserved the original municipal chronicles or post-war written records of the April 1945 fighting. (Come to think of it, after the passage of the front and during the displacement, locals probably didn't have much time to write a municipal chronicle.... But it is quite possible that they then started to publish some sort of magazine in which the contributions of the memorials from the villages we are interested in may have appeared).
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I'm afraid I have no idea. I would probably look on www.farnostlouka.cz, they might know something - also about the possible organization of the displaced people, also about where the military cemetery was - I suppose that as priests they might have participated in the burials, even though the monastery was already closed by Joseph II and now the owner of the building is the state (OÚ Znojmo). They have an email info@farnostlouka.cz.
I tried to google some links to the Austrian Ladsmanschaft, but I guess I can't Sad
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To Viktor:
1 - Já nemám námitek k tvému příchodu a spolupráci,...víc očí víc vidí, víc hlav víc ví,...
2 - Link měl být www.detektorweb.cz
Omlouvám se. Jde o problémy spolku co vykopává německé hroby a taky diskusi co je pod článkem s negativními zkušenostmi s následnou exhumací a podobně,....
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Well, one more thing. From the pen of my colleague Miloš Ludvík I read an article about the Panzerwaffe fighting on the Dyje in HPM. Memorials recall that in Znojmo (not far from our planned reconnaissance - I think at least about 7 kingtigers) tanks with dead and stinking crews were burned with petrol before being loaded on wagons to the smelters,.......
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To Dolin:
Vďaka. Keď to bude aktuálne, tak môžeme dohodnúť podrobnosti. Leto 2008 je síce ešte ďaleko, ale na túto akciu sa budem tešiť a dúfam, že do toho nič nepríde. Very Happy
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I am continuing my search for information on the German and Soviet troops that were deployed southeast of Znojmo in the second half of April 1945. I have not yet been able to identify the specific Red Army units that took part in the fighting around Stronsdorf on 28 April 1945, in which Kurt Knispel was killed. However, I did find the recollections of a Soviet officer who fought southeast of Stronsdorf on 18-19 April 1945 and encountered German "Tiger" tanks. (His memoirs, however, do not specify which version of the "Tiger" it was). In the second half of April 1945, only one unit equipped with "Tiger" tanks was deployed in this section of the front, and it was Knispel's sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle. (There were still sPzAbt.509 and s.SS-PzAbt 501 operating in Austria in the second half of April 1945, but these were deployed west and south-west of Vienna).


The author of the memoirs is Dmitry Fedorovich Loza, who held the rank of Guards Major in April 1945 and commanded a battalion of the 46th Guards Tank Brigade, 9th Guards Mechanized Corps, 6th Guards Tank Army. In the first half of April 1945, this army operated within the 3rd Ukrainian Front and participated in the capture of Vienna. (For the battles for the capital of Austria, D.F.Loza was awarded the Gold Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union). Subsequently, the 6th Guards Tank Army was moved north of Vienna and placed under the command of the 2nd Ukrainian Front. It went on the offensive to the north-west towards Mistelbach and Znojmo, but in the fighting of 19-21 April 1945 it failed to break through the defences of the German 8th Army, subordinate to Army Group Ostmark, and made only slow progress. (D.F.Loza's recollections of meeting the "Tigers" with PzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle come from these battles). As a result, the command of the 2nd Ukrainian Front ordered the withdrawal of the 6th Guards Tank Army from the front line and its covert relocation further north to Brno. This manoeuvre was carried out in two night movements (21/22 April and 22/23 April 1945), and on the morning of 23 April 1945 the first units of the 6th Guards Tank Army joined the Soviet attack on Brno in the 53rd Army section.


In the following post I will give an extract from the memoirs of D.F.Loza, which were published under the title "Tankist na inomarka" (Tankist on the tank import sign). The title of the book is based on the fact that Loza's 46th Guards Tank Brigade was equipped with M4A2 "Sherman" tanks, which the Soviet Union had acquired from the US as part of the "Lend-Lease" deliveries.


P.S. In most Soviet war memoirs, all German tanks are referred to as "Tiger" and all self-propelled guns as "Ferdinand". Smile However, I assume that D.F.Loza, as a tanker, had no problem identifying the enemy's machines and did not commit the stereotypical mistake like most veterans of other branches of the Soviet ground troops, not to mention the stencil-writing commissars and politruks... (D.F. Loza's memoirs were published after the collapse of the Soviet Union and are therefore written without the interference of censorship and without regard to party orders and prohibitions).
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Dmitry Fyodorovich Loza:"Tankist na inomarke" (Jauza-Eksmo Publishers, Moscow 2007)


"On 18 April 1945, our 46th Guards Tank Brigade was again deployed into action and began its advance north of Vienna. By evening the small town of Paasdorf was reached, where we halted for the night. Fuel and ammunition were added to the tanks and on the morning of 19 April 1945 we resumed our advance to Mistelbach. However, just one and a half kilometers beyond Paasdorf we immediately fell into an ambush. In this section the road to Mistelbach ran for 200 metres over an open field and only further on was it covered by thick and tall bushes. This gap was taken in the sights of the German "Tiger", who took up position on a small hill to the right of the road at a distance of about one kilometre. Our "EmChe" (Soviet abbreviation for "Sherman": M4 - Em Chetyre) could not threaten him at this distance, and moreover the morning sun was shining in the Germans' backs and in our eyes.


As soon as the first tank of my battalion appeared on an uncovered stretch of road, a shot rang out. The "Tiger" hit the lower part of the gun barrel of the "Emche" just in front of the turret. However, the driver of this tank, Guards Senior Sergeant Nikolai Oselyodkin, did not lose heart and at full throttle crossed the rest of the uncovered stretch of road and hid behind a bush before the "Tiger" could fire a second time. Tank commander Mikhail Golubjov then inspected the gun barrel and found it unusable.


What to do? I asked myself a question in my mind. If we keep moving we will suffer unnecessary losses. I give the order: "Halt!" We may be greatly outnumbered, but there's still nothing we can do about a single Tiger. If I send part of my battalion's tanks to frontally attack the "Tiger" position, we would suffer too high losses on a flat and clear field. Before we could close to an effective distance at which our tank guns could threaten the enemy tank, its crew would calmly conduct accurately aimed fire from a stationary position and in a few minutes would turn the attacking "EmChe" into flaming torches. The exposed section of the road which is under fire from the "Tiger" cannot even be avoided, as the Taschl River flows to the left of the road to Mistelbach. Its banks are too muddy and the only bridge is in the firing sector of the German panzers.


I decided to resolve this situation by using a smoke screen and, under cover of it, to cross the shelled section of the road at full speed. There was a slight wind blowing and it was necessary to use twice the number of smoke bombs as the norm to create a smoke screen. I entrusted this task to Ivan Korchak, Nikolai Radin and four soldiers. While this group was deploying smoke bombs in the terrain along the exposed stretch of road, the motorized artillery landing party dismounted from the tanks and waited. I instructed several soldiers to carry all the documents forward from the staff bus and wait for us there on the covered section of the road. The tanks and battalion vehicles backed up a few dozen yards toward Paasdorf to give themselves room to run up and reach full speed as they crossed the uncovered section of road.


When everything was ready, I gave the order to light the smoke bombs. A thick smokescreen covered the road in a moment and the staff bus was the first to head out onto the dangerous section. It passed! The engine roared to life and the first "EmChe" followed the bus, followed by the second "EmChe". The "Tiger" did not see the targets and its crew fired twice blindly. Anti-tank shells swept harmlessly through the air. However, the third shot of the "Tiger" was already directed at the places where the smoke bombs were spread. Its crew began firing anti-personnel grenades to scatter the smoke grenades and disperse the smoke screen. This was already dangerous. Our plan could have been disrupted and the shots could have hit Korczak's and Radin's group hunkered down by the roadside. Fortunately, these soldiers had created several places with concentrations of smoke bombs, so the smoke screen could not be dispersed by a few grenade blasts. To do that, the Germans would have needed the concentrated fire of at least one artillery battery. Shrapnel from the "Tiger" shells wounded one soldier, and Korchak and Radin withdrew to cover while the tanks and vehicles of our battalion overcame the dangerous section. The "Tiger" held us up for an hour and a half, but then we continued our rapid advance on Mistelbach.


In the forenoon (April 19, 1945) we reached the southwestern suburbs of Mistelbach, where in the ensuing battle my "EmChe" was hit. From behind a railway embankment a "Tiger" unexpectedly fired from a very short distance. His shell hit the front left part of my tank, shot it diagonally through and flew out through the engine compartment. To this day it is a mystery to me that the "EmChe" did not catch fire. The driver, mechanic Guards Sergeant Major Gennady Kapranov, and the radio operator, Guards Sergeant Nikolai Shevchuk, were dead on the spot. The tank gunner, Guards Senior Sergeant Anatoliy Romashkin, had both legs blown off. The commander of this tank, Guards Lieutenant Ivan Filin, was in the place of the charger and was also seriously wounded. I was sitting in his place at the time and suffered a severe injury to my left leg when I was hit. In addition, Guards Lieutenant Aleksandr Ionov, one of the company commanders of my battalion, was also in the tank. His tank had been hit shortly before, so we took him into our tank, in which he subsequently suffered a severe wound and lost his right leg. At this point our battalion numbered only 7 combat tanks left.

At the first moment after being hit, I felt no pain and did not even notice that my left leg knee was crushed. First I helped Sasha Ion to get out of the tank. Then I bent down to Lyosha Romashkin, pulled him over the turret and placed him on the ground next to the right side of the tank. I started to scramble onto the tank again to help the others when my gaze fell on my knee. I collapsed onto the engine compartment cover and remained lying down, but I didn't lose consciousness. Just then I heard a pistol shot. I turned my head and saw the legless Lyosha Romashkin, who had just shot himself. A few weeks before the beginning of the Vienna operation we were sitting at dinner when Lyosha said: "If he tears my legs off, I will shoot myself". Lyosha Romashkin grew up in an orphanage and had no relatives. Based on this, he knew and understood what fate would await him as a legless invalid.


Three reconnaissance men, who were riding behind on an armoured personnel carrier, ran up to the hit tank. They carried me, Sasha Ionov and Vanya Filin out of the firing line to where our battalion medic Pavel Denisiuk was. He gave us first aid, stopped the bleeding and dressed our wounds. Soon, a medic, Guards Lieutenant Polina Chudoleyeva, appeared on an all-terrain vehicle and inoculated us against blood poisoning. We were then loaded into her vehicle and taken to the back of the brigade headquarters. The chief of staff of our 46th Guards Tank Brigade, Guards Lieutenant Colonel Pavel Kornyushin, ordered our immediate transfer to the army infirmary. While Polina Khudoleyeva was writing out the necessary documents for evacuation to the rear, a passenger car arrived at the brigade headquarters, summoned from my battalion. In addition to the chauffeur, my commanding officer was sitting in it. The three of us wounded were immediately loaded and taken to Army Infirmary No. 2632, which was located in the village of Klobouky on Czechoslovak territory. After the operation I was in a plaster cast for a month and a half and when my condition improved I was moved to the apartment of a local Czech dentist who gave me his library as a room."
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Dmitry Fjodorovic Loza, 46. gardova tankova brigada.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - D.F.Loza, marec 1945, uzemie Madarska

D.F.Loza, marec 1945, uzemie Madarska
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - D.F.Loza so svojim otcom, rok 1945

D.F.Loza so svojim otcom, rok 1945
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Note: D.F. Loza recovered from his severe wound and was released from hospital treatment in June 1945. Despite the disapproval of his doctors, he joined his brigade and fought with it in Manchuria against the Japanese "Kwantung" Army in August 1945.


At this point I venture to ask a hypothetical question as to whether D.F.Loza might have encountered K.Knispel in combat on 19.4.1945. According to the data I have been able to find out, sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle had 26 tanks at its disposal as of 15.3.1945, 19 of which were combat capable. In the course of deployment on Austrian territory, sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle irretrievably lost 12 tanks. At the end of April 1945, 14 tanks remained in its armament, and it is not known how many of these were combat-worthy and how many were under repair. From these figures, it is theoretically possible that D.F.Loza may have encountered K.Knispel's "Tiger" on 19.4.1945. Considering the low number of tanks of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle this cannot be ruled out. (I dare not, however, determine the degree of probability of this encounter...)


P.S.Whoever wants to see a map of the area Znojmo - Stronsdorf - Mistelbach and check the current terrain via satellite, can surf:


www.maplandia.com
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So, Kingtigers in the area (no relation to K.K. necessary)
1 -
www.kvh.estranky.cz
http://www.mapy.cz/searchScreen?query=Bo%C5%BEice
2 -
www.kvh.estranky.cz
Citation
"...On 30 April we repelled several Russian attacks and destroyed ten Soviet tanks in the area of Nová Ves to Vlasatica. However, we ourselves lost two Royal Tigers and their commanders - Feldwebel Knispel and Feldwebel Skoda. Both were killed. In the evening I was invited to the corps headquarters in Suchohrdel, where I was awarded the Knight's Cross. The workshops repaired the damaged equipment, so that the detachment had twelve combat-worthy tanks. On the morning of 7 May, an unprecedented attack began. The Royal Tigers blasted sixteen more tanks and twelve self-propelled guns and then began to retreat towards Moravské Budějovice. During the retreat through Miroslav, our self-propelled anti-aircraft guns shot down one Russian aircraft. We continued our retreat towards České Budějovice ...We reached the demarcation line with the last two Royal Tigers. The Americans refused to accept us and handed us over to the Russians...."
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Well, hello clock!
This shows that the date of Knispel's death is not the 28th of April, but two days later, and indeed the Vlasatic/N.Ves and other axis of the troop's advance is a hell of a long way from both Austrian S. and Vrbovec! Why would they carry corpses so far for burial? The following text shows that
"The losses of the German troops are not precisely known. Eleven soldiers were proven to have been killed; their remains were first buried in bomb craters in a field near the road leading to Hosteradice and the road to the airfield, and since July 1945, when they were exhumed, they have been placed in a common grave in the Catholic cemetery."
I had nothing more appropriate, so look at the logic of the procedure on a 1:200000 aerial ICAO map. I have described and highlighted the important points, the axis of progression is the ribbon. I apologize for the size, but if it is to be of any use, it must be legible.
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Citace - Dolin404 :

Takže Kingtigery v okolí (bez nutné souvislosti s K.K)


citace z deníku velitele 503. oddílu těžkých tanků Hauptmanna JUDr. von Diest-Körbera (ten docela určitě věděl přesně, kde byli):


" „…Dne 30. dubna jsme v prostoru Nová Ves až Vlasatice odrazili několik ruských útoků a zničili deset sovětských tanků. Sami jsme však ztratili dva Královské tygry i s jejich veliteli – Feldwebelem Knispelem a Feldwebelem Skodou. Oba padli. Večer jsem byl pozván na velitelství sboru do Suchohrdel, kde jsem byl vyznamenán Rytířským křížem. Dílny opravily poškozenou techniku, takže oddíl měl dvanáct bojeschopných tanků. Ráno 7. května začal nevídaný útok. Královští tygři odstřelily ještě šestnáct tanků a dvanáct samohybných děl a pak se daly na ústup směrem na Moravské Budějovice. Během ústupu přes Miroslav naše samohybná protiletadlová děla sestřelila jeden ruský letoun. V ústupu jsme pokračovali na České Budějovice …Demarkační linii jsme dosáhli s posledními dvěma Královskými tygry. Američané nás odmítli přijmout a předali nás Rusům….“

No tohle je sakra souvislost! Když se podíváte na přiloženou mapu, kde je ten Stronsdorf? Jak by se tam mohli dostat? I to datum úmrtí od německých úřadů je blbě! A pak je tedy zpochybněno i to pochování na "Heldenfriedhof Urbau"! Vždyť trasa přesunu oddílu, pospíchajícího k Amíkům vedla docela jinudy!
Jak z dalšího textu plyne, " Ztráty německých jednotek (z bojů 7.května) nejsou přesně známy. Prokazatelně padlo jedenáct vojáků; jejich ostatky byly pohřbeny nejdříve do kráterů po bombách na poli poblíž silnice vedoucí do Hostěradic a cesty k letišti a od července 1945, kdy byly exhumovány, jsou uloženy ve společném hrobě na katolickém hřbitově."
Znamená to, že vojenské pohřby byly prováděny urychleně (a improvizovaně) v místech bojů. Jestli Knispel a Skoda padli 30.4. v prostoru Nová Ves-Vlasatice, tak je málo pravděpodobné, že je vezli pohřbívat cca 50 km daleko - zvlášť, když nešlo o vysoké důstojníky, nebo nositele vyšších stupňů Ritterkreuzu.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Jinou vhodnou mapu, než tuhle ICAO 1:200 000 jsem neměl k dispozici :(

Jinou vhodnou mapu, než tuhle ICAO 1:200 000 jsem neměl k dispozici :(
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No já jen neměl čas to ještě prostudovat,... Smile))
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What strikes me about the whole thing is the fact that Vrbovec and Vasatice are far enough apart. And thus in relation to Znojmo in other directions. Vrbovec to the south and Vlasatice to the east (near Pohořelice),.......
If it was say for example as far away as Breclav or Lanžhot (about 7km) then please, they could have transported it, but like this,....
There was quite intense fighting in the whole area. Already from 13.4.1945 in I.A.Pliyev's memories of Lanzhot, Hrušky and Ladna the tank division Feldherrnhalle is mentioned


On the other hand, I was very caught up by it!
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No me on the whole thing puzzling fact that Vrbovec and Vasatice is far ENOUGH away from each other. If it was say an example a as Břeclav or Lanžhot (about 7km) so please, it could turn them, but as follows,....


Citace - Fantan :

If Knispel and Skoda fell 30.4. in the area of Nová Ves-Vlasatice, so it is unlikely that is my burying about 50 km away - especially when it was not the high officers, or the wearer of the higher degrees Ritterkreuzu.


It the Bottoms and Fantan

This môjho view vôbec nie is vylúčený prevoz hoci aj on vzdialenosť 50 km. Vychádzam had from the assumptions that this spomienok Horst Bechtela, tank strelca 3. Companies, bol Fw. Skoda in the tank killed and Fw. Knispel len ťažko zranený. Preto nie is nereálny precondition that Knispela prevážali ešte any time spoločne with the unit and for allowing high zraneniam podľahol. It is true that Knispel nebol Ritterkreuzträger, but bol zjavne kamarát and dlhoročný spolubojovník. And takého will, this mňa, the unit prevážať be in a position to dlhšie ako a oficiera len preto, that this has on the neck of the Rytiersky crucifix.

A little bit of ma mätie that Hauptmann Dr. von Diest-Körber in journal jotted down that the two Tiger II, etc with ich veliteľom Knispelom and Skodom stratili up to 30.4. in priestore Ves to Vlasatice. In this skôr verím Deutsche Dienstelle task vychádza of archived záznamov, pretože vedenie journal in takých hectic okamžikoch may not always exactly odrážať skutočnosť. Navyše som of the opinion that the Knispelov spolubojovník Horst Bechtel will be the circumstances kamarátovej death pamätať probably presnejšie than veliaci dôstojník.

Uvedomujem however, one zásadnú weakness of the tejto the premise. Spomienky Bechtela I len sprostredkované from diskusie on http://panzer-archiv.de/forum/, pričom this Bechtelov sheet, this his tvrdenia, numbered nephew Hauptmanna von Diest-Körbera, the lord Bernd Burmeister. Vynikajúce would bolo dostať sa to spomienkovej publikácii vydanej still žijúcimi bojovníkmi from the sPzAbt. 503. Bola, however, žiaľ issued by len in niekoľkých desiatkach exemplárov and designed výlučne preživsím príslušníkom Abteilungu, or ich najbližším family príslušníkom. About.i. includes aj excerpts from the journal of the unit and detailný description ústupových regional countries..
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With the written consent of the HEIGHT Litobratřice I will quote from the article "the Secret of the old cellar after 25 years", the postings on the www.kvh.estranky.cz the relevant passages, relating to Knispela.

"Intense fighting on the approaches to Brno necessitated a realignment and supplement the state about 6. gardovou tank army genplk. Kravčenka, which is in part 3. Ukrainian front participated at the occupation of Vienna. While the main direction of attack aimed at Brno (was exempted 26. April 1945), the line of the queue after the liberation of Mikulov (22. April 1945), and the transition of the Dyje river at the Mušova leveled off at the line of Jevišovka, Novosedly, Drnholec, Brod nad dyji, Pasohlávky, Vlasatice, a New Village and Farming and was here until the beginning of may. This part of the queue's significant forces of the opponent and at the same time it has also created a bridgehead to the continuous attacks in the direction of Znojmo, Moravské Budějovice and Jihlava.
Day 5. may 1945 began the unit of the German 8. the army, under mounting pressure, 7. guards army genplk. Šumilova gradually recede to the west. Units of the Wehrmacht, which fiercely defend the line of defense on the Vlasaticku, ustupovaly line following Troskotovice, Jiřice, Damnice, Dolenice and Miroslav. Among them was 503. section heavy tanks, the PzKpfw. VI B-Tiger II. (Königstiger). This section, belonging to the armored corps Feldherrnhalle (Panzerkorps Feldherrnhalle - commander of the armored corps was general of the armored troops Ulrich Kleemann), where the soviet tank units of the 6. guards tank army heavy losses and has made a significant contribution to the fact that here the queue is maintained until the beginning of may.

From the diary of the commander of the 503. section heavy tanks Hauptmanna JUDr. von Diest-Körbera:
"...On 30. April we are in the area of Nová Ves to Vlasatice repulsed several Russian attacks and destroyed ten soviet tanks. Themselves, however, we have lost two Royal tigers with their commanders – Feldwebelem Knispelem and Feldwebelem Skodou. Both fell.
in the Evening I was invited to the headquarters of the corps in the Suchohrdel, where I was awarded the Knight's cross. the Workshop repaired the damaged technique, so that section had twelve bojeschopných tanks.
In the morning, 7. in may he started an unprecedented attack. The royal tigers odstřelily still sixteen destroyers, and twelve self-propelled guns and then have to retreat towards Moravské Budějovice. During the retreat through Miroslav our self-propelled anti-aircraft guns removed, one Russian aircraft. In the retreat we continued to the Czech Republic ...the line of Demarcation we have achieved with the last two King tigers. Americans us refused to accept and they handed us to the Russians....“
(Excerpt provided by Vlastimil Schildberger; author's note)

During the bombing were killed in Miroslavi; and fifty-four persons. Forty-one victims were buried in a mass grave on the catholic cemetery, a victim from among the members of the evangelical church of the evangelical then at its cemetery, where also was built a monument stating their names. To commemorate all the victims of the bombing Miroslavi of 7. may 1945 was after the war, unveiled the monument in the park at the cultural house.

The losses of the German units are not exactly known. Proven to fell eleven soldiers; their remains were buried as possible to the craters after the bombs in the field near the road leading to the Hostěradic and the journey to the airport and from July 1945, when they were exhumed, they are saved in a common grave at the catholic cemetery."

I realized in doing so that Suchohrdly u ZN, which I thought was the headquarters of the staff, they are not identical to Suchohrdly u Miroslavi, where he was undoubtedly placed the staff. By from that proklatého Vrbovce increasingly we are far and the route of retreat 503. section to Amíkům mainly along the roads - due to the saving of the FUEL and the speed of logically napřimuje - see map.
And if mr. Hauptmann in the journal recorded that he was nafasovat Ritterkreuz, he certainly would have at least mentioned that zasloužilého friend left to take away for burial - and where.
Because the death occurred in the fierce battles, the question is whether it was possible to dead (at least provisionally in place) to bury and Knispel in fact did not end on the znojemském (or another nácestném) station in those tanks, vypalovaných petrol!.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Snad z této mapky bude jasnější, že Vrbovec padá...

Snad z této mapky bude jasnější, že Vrbovec padá...
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Jirko, thanks for the maps, you found it great. It looks like Vrbovec will probably be a step ahead. However, we'll see, we're just at the beginning of the search.


[quote = "Fantan"] And if Mr. Hauptmann noticed in the diary that he was packing the Ritterkreuz, he was pretty sure. by at least & # 328; mentioned that he had his deserving friend taken to a place - and where.


I don't think that for Hauptmann Nordewin von Diest-Koerber, Knispel was a deserving friend, because he commanded the Swiss Panzer Division 503 and became a commander. in December 1944 and commanded it until the end of the war. Knispel was at sPzAbt. 503 since April 1943. In addition, Knispel was clearly a rebel, and therefore probably not the best-registered soldier in the officers. His rebellion and the fun he apparently made of the Nazis, for example, is evidenced, for example, by a well-known photo from the Sennelagerparade! Notice where you allowed the pin & # 357; DKiG! Although he knew that the boys from Propagandakompanie and the pictures had arrived at the urn, he pinned this award directly to the imperial eagle, directly to the place where the eagle held. in Hakenkreuz! By regulation, DKiG should belong to & # 357; at least & # 328; 10 cm shorter! Apparently the original Hakoš seemed small to him: D.
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Dolin: V Jiřicích bylo exhumováno kolem pěti německých vojáků pohřbených z venkovní strany hřbitovní zdi někdy v osmdesátých letech. Což není tak daleko od Vlasatic..
Přímo ve Vlasaticích a Troskotovicích jsem mluvil s několika pamětníky, kteří přišli těsně po válce. Jeden z nich si vcelku vybavuje kde stálo po válce několik německých pancéřů a kde na kopci bylo spadlé letadlo. Ale to je tak vše. Vesnice je z drtivé části nově obsazena.
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Velice zajímavé, myslím že Kurt Knispel by si zasloužil svůj Soldaten Ehrengrab, jak má být. Dnes jsem si to vše početl a dost mě to zaujalo. Kdyby jste třeba chtěli pomoc s napsaním emailu do ňakého rakouského města ohledně informací, rád pomůžu, když to půjde.. Very Happy
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Hello gyry! Well, such memories of where the tanks stood are welcome !! Do you still have contacts not the one you asked? It is a new settlement, a new settlement, but the little boys will play in the "tiger" in a new village, ... in fact, where else? Smile) That's why the wrecks could remember, ...
And they certainly didn't liquidate in those places half a year after the war! See drawings and info of TigerII and techniques at Božice and Lanžhot, .... at KVH Litobratčice Smile)


To Panzer: Yes, he was clearly a rebel, you can see from many (5 Smile))) photos, .. but on the other hand (when we theorize) which commander does not like in the report 6, ... 10, ... 12 destroyed tanks instead of 2-3, ... Here could be (very) popular, .. I think from this side it is necessary to see ...
I agree with the transport of the wounded - however, it is probably such a level of debate as my report on the number of tanks. In addition, I would rather see it for a one-time removal of the seriously injured to a deeper background than to drag him along the retreat, ....


To Siegfried: A letter would be good, ... Will you write down a logical Czech text for translation? What can Rak.strany ask specifically? (Temelín does not: -))), ... or mark that we are against writing off earlier, ... Smile)))
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Jen aby jste měli představu co hledáme,.... Znojmo 1945
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For fantan:
Štáb nebyl v Suchohrdlech u Znojma, ale v Suchohrdlech u Miroslavi - tak jak se opravuješ v dalším příspěvku. Byla tam i polní opravna techniky. Je to kousíček od místa úmrtí Knispela.
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Citace - Ifor :

For fantan:
Štáb nebyl v Suchohrdlech u Znojma, ale v Suchohrdlech u Miroslavi - tak jak se opravuješ v dalším příspěvku. Byla tam i polní opravna techniky. Je to kousíček od místa úmrtí Knispela.


Ahoj Ifore! Ještě bychom mohli Dolinovi doplnit, že mezi Vlasaticemi a Novou Vsí byl vybudován po válce rybník. Na konci devadesátých let se z něj vytáhlo torzo hakla. U silnice od Nové Vsi směr Drnholec, bylo zase na začátku let devadesátých, při melioračních pracech, nalezeno několik něm. vojáků. Dle očitého svědka si z hrobu kopáči odnesli pár suvenýrů a zase ho zahrnuli. Dnes je to soukr. pole. Dále u stejné cesty (dle pamětníka z Nové Vsi) stáli vyhořelé ruské tanky. Jako děti si do nich chodili hrát. Byli v nich i drobné kousky kostí.. Hned po skončení bojů byla z okolí svážena těla padlých Němců. Až kolem dvou set jich má být pohřbeno na jednom hřbitůvku u zdi. (dle vyprávění hrobníka)
A pak ještě k postupu. Z Miroslavi se údajně měla velká část techniky pustit směrem na Mor. Krumlov..
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2Ifor: já mám spády spíš ke Znojmu a v Suchohrdlech je výtečný autoelektrikář Very Happy. O Suchohrdlech u Miroslavi jsem nevěděl a ani vyhledávač mi je nenabídnul. Našel jsem je, až když jsem rekonstruoval trasu ústupu na starém autoatlasu Sad.

Z toho co píše gyry je jasné, že němci neměli čas se starat o padlé vojáky a pokud je pohřbívali, tak narychlo do kráterů po výbuších (souhlasně s citovaným článkem). Proto je klidně možné, že u zdi toho hřbitůvku leží i hledaný Knispel. Pak ale ví Bůh a svatý Václav, jak německé úřady došly k "Heldenfriedhof Urbau".

Mám i pochybnosti o Dolinově teorii, (vycházející z Panzerovy interpretace zprostředkovaného vyprávění raněného střelce), že Knispel byl 30.4. v prostoru Neudorf-Vlasatice jen raněn a zemřel až později v lazaretu (snad) blíže ZN - pak by šlo o Vrbovci uvažovat. O tom se ale nikdo nezmiňuje!

Je ale otázkou, jak jsme se dostali do Stronsdorfu v Rakousku? Že by 28.4. bojovali tam a během 2 dnů ustoupili až do Vlasatic? Autem to daleko není, ale pro tankovou jednotku, svádějící těžké boje to je dálka dost velká - viz ta první mapka. Jenže viktor na začátku uvedl "F.Kurowski uvádza, že sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle bol presunutý do Wostitz (Vlasatice) 26.4.1945."

V časových údajích citovaného článku, který považuji za velice hodnotný a přesný zdroj, je poměrně značná časová díra - skok z 30.4. hned na 7.5.45, přičemž víme houbeles, co se dělo mezitím. Bude to zcela jistě tím, že byl psán se zřetelem na sestřel toho šturmovika v Miroslavi 7.5. a 503.Abt. zmiňuje jen okrajově - jako ty, kdo "měli sestřel na svědomí".

Co se týče trasy ústupu, jeho směr k Amíkům je jasný, samozřejmě by se všichni na jednu pěšinu nevešli, takže klidně mohlo být více proudů. Zřejmé je i to, že probíhaly těžké ústupové boje, když z 12 Tigrů II jim během pár dnů zůstaly jen dva - a to přitom Königtiger něco snesl!
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Další informace o Olbramovicích na stránkách
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Život je plný překvapení, Generál Raus se v Olbramovicích narodil.
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Super! Pátranie sa really ešte zaujímavejším! We already have two version of the mk and how it goes in practice, possible sa časom objaví etc tretia touch. Laughing (at Least we môcť budúci year pri "terénnom výskume" pochodiť viacero miest Very Happy ). Pokúsim sa zrekapitulovať basic information in your we have k dispozícii.

Version Stronsdorf
Information about poslednom fight Kurt Knispela pochádzajú from his spolubojovníka Horst Bechtela and uvádzajú dedinu Stronsdorf 28.4.1945. H.Bechtel uvádza that.Knispel bol pochovaný vo Vrbovci.

Version Vlasatice
Information about poslednom fight Kurt Knispela pochádzajú from veliteľa sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle captain von Diest-Körbera and uvádzajú dedinu Vlasatice 30.4.1945. Captain von Diest-Körber uvádza that.Knispel padol without upresnenia miesta his pochovania.


Indície in favour of a version of the mk "Stronsdorf":
· H.Bechtel bol priamym spolubojovníkom To.Knispela, so in his povojnových spomienkach had to strata kamaráta ostať veľmi preserved. (In this sa me zdajú Panzerove arguments fully logical).
· Dátum death and miesto pochovania To.Knispela potvrdzuje oficiálny document "Deutsche Dienstelle".
· Dátum death To.Knispela potvrdzuje oficiálny document "Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge"
· In the period 26.4 – 5.5.1945 bola is the línia nemeckej 8. the army and the pancierového zboru "Feldherrnhalle" stabilná and the ich section of the vyvíjala Red army len lokálnu útočnú činnosť. In this period the nemeckej side ešte neprebiehal hectic retreat to the american líniám, so bolo dosť time evakuovať ťažko raneného To.Knispela of frontovej línie pri Stronsdorfe to poľného reached the hospital at around Vrbovce, what is any of about 25 - 30 kilometrov. Respektíve ak by bol lazaret up in Znojme and To.Knispel zomrel pri prevoze, so bol pochovaný on the route of the move vo Vrbovci. This môjho opinion, however, the vo Vrbovci any lazaret had to though, pretože to this, and pri takýchto zariadeniach vznikali "Heldenfriedhofy". Takýto cemetery nebol improvizáciou, if vojakov on bojisku narýchlo zahrabali into the crater, or into a trench and poznačili you miesto in the mape. "Heldenfriedhofy" were modified cintoríny so všetkou "dekoráciou" what to include).

Indície in the population version of the mk "Stronsdorf":
· Spomienky H.Bechtela soo sprostredkované Berndom Burmeisterom, so nemožno vylúčiť nezrovnalosti between pôvodnou verziou and Burmeisterovou interpretáciou.

Indície in favour of a version of the mk "Vlasatice":
· On Vlasaticiach vo svojej knihe hovorí aj Franz Kurowski. Neuvádza month žiadny source, but it is possible that during the preparatory work of the text worked with the archívnymi dokumentmi and vojnovým denníkom sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle.

Indície in the population version of the mk "Vlasatice":
· Captain von Diest-Körber finished this vlastných words in sovietskom the captives. It vyplýva that žiaden pôvodný sniper it nemohol "prežiť", pretože the German zajatcom odoberali vojaci Červenej army everything what mali pri itself (and niekedy aj, what mali on itself). Von Diest-Körber their spomienky had to spísať up after vojne and after návrate zo zajatia, what môže vysvetliť nepresnosti in dátume and mieste death To.Knispela.
· In poslednej phase of the military already sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle nebol nasadený how to complete the unit and its tanks, or sústredené on one mieste. Group 1-2 tankov (don't you. for example spomienky D.F.Lozu) were nasadzované on the critical sections of the front and nielen in section materskej divízie, but in the section of the entire pancierového zboru "Feldherrnhalle". It môže vysvetliť, prečo časť tankov bola 28. – 30.4.1945 pri Vlasaticiach and časť tankov pri Stronsdorfe..
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Další věcí je, že jsem se ještě nikde nedověděl či nedočetl, že by Knispel byl těžce raněn a zemřel až v lazaretu či při přesunu. Všude je jen že padl. A to bych vylučoval nějaké šachy s tělem.( Podlě mě by bylo uvedeno že záhy na následky zranění zemřel, či něco obdobného) Nanejvýš pohřbít na nejbližším hřbitově. U Vlasatic a v okolí se Tigery II pohybovali 100%, už jen podle nálezu tank. článku.
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Citace - Panzer :

Uvedomujem si však jednu zásadnú slabinu tejto premisy. Spomienky Bechtela mám len sprostredkované z diskusie na http://panzer-archiv.de/forum/, pričom tento Bechtelov list, podľa jeho tvrdenia, čítal synovec Hauptmanna von Diest-Körbera, pán Bernd Burmeister.


Chcem opraviť toto svoje tvrdenie, pretože som si až neskôr uvedomil, že pán Bernd Burmester (predtým som nesprávne uviedol Burmeister), ktorý na http://panzer-archiv.de/forum/ vystupuje pod nickom Kommandantenneffe nie je synovcom von Diest-Körbera, ale veliteľa schwere Panzerabteilung 509 Hauptmanna Hans-Jürgena Burmestera. Tento bol od 3.5.1943 veliteľom 1. roty (KpChef der 1.Kp) schweren Panzerabteilung 503 počas bojov v Rusku. Velil jej do 7.2.1944, potom bol odvelený do veliteľského kurzu v Paríži a 15.3.1944 vymenovaný za veliteľa schwere Panzerabteilung 509.

Asi len v dôsledku preklepu je v odpovedi Deutsche Dienstelle uvedené jeho priezvisko ako Burmeister, ktoré znie zrejme nemeckejšie ako Burmester. Preto som si to hneď nedal do súvisu z veliteľom 509ky. Táto chyba, teda uvádzanie mena veliteľa 509ky ako Burmeister, sa vyskytuje na viacerých serveroch, napr. aj na axishistory. Môže to byť spôsobená napr. tým, že Hans-Jürgen Burmester bol držiteľom Rytierskeho kríža rovnako ako Arnold Burmeister, ktorý však mal hodnosť Generalmajora Heer a bol od 25. Pz.Gren.Div.
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Ve Vlasaticích a blízkých Troskotovicích na hřbitovech není žádný viditelný či aspoň neoznačený hrob německých vojáků či Kurta Knispela. Je zde pomník padlým ruským vojákům. Takže pokud nebude někde (třeba na faře) zapsáno, že byl někdo z němců na hřbitově pohřben, tak je hrob Knispela ve hvězdách..
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I went through the German internet resources Panzer navigated to and found some new information.


In the case of both the "Stronsdorf" version and the "Vlasatica" version, neither of our "Crown Witnesses" was personally present at the events of interest. Horst Bechtel had already been slightly wounded on 12 April 1945 and returned to his unit in early May 1945, where he learned from fellow soldiers the details of the last battle and the burial place of Kurt Knispel. As far as Captain von Diest-Körber is concerned, his testimony is also only mediated and based on reports he received from his subordinates as commander of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle. So far we have no eyewitness testimony, and each of us can choose whether the post-war recollections of H. Bechtel or those of Captain Diest-Körber seem more authentic to him.


In addition to the testimonies of these two memoirists, several secondary sources are available. Bernd Burmester's research and Franz Kurowski's book have already been mentioned. At http://panzer-archiv.de/forum/ there is also a link to another source, which is Franz Jordan's book, "April 1945 - Die Kämpfe im nordöstl. Niederösterreich" (April 1945 - the fighting in the north-east of Lower Austria).


In F.Jordan's book it says that on 20.4.1945 the tanks of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle were deployed in the fighting around Poysdorf. (This confirms the recollections of D.F.Loza fighting on 19.4.1945 near Mistelbach, which is only about 10 kilometers south of Poysdorf).


From Poysdorf the tanks of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle retreated west to the Follin - Altruppersdorf area and on 21.4.1945 they joined the fighting in the vicinity of Mitterhof near Staatz.


F.Jordan further states that on 22.4.1945 the headquarters and the technical and repair service of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle were located between Laa am der Thaya and the village of Zwingendorf (about 6 kilometres south of Jaroslavice). In this area were concentrated 5 or 6 tanks that had been damaged in previous battles and evacuated from the battlefield. On the same day, 2 battle tanks were deployed at Stronsdorf and 2 battle tanks at Neuprenau (Nový Přerov - about 12 kilometres west of Mikulov).


Then on 26.4.1945 the core of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle (5 - 6 already repaired tanks) moved towards Socherl (Suchohrdly near Miroslav). (Suchohrdly near Znojmo was then called Zuckerhandl). Two separate Kampfgruppen continued to operate separately from the core unit. One Kampfgruppe was located near Wulzeshofen (between Laa am der Thaya and the village of Zwingendorf) on 26 April 1945, and the other Kampfgruppe was located near Wostiz (Vlasatice).


F.Jordan concludes that K.Knispel was wounded on 29.4.1945 near Stronsdorf and buried in Urbau (Vrbovec).
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On the basis of the information gathered so far, I will try to "reconstruct" the combat deployment of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle in the last decade of April 1945. On 19-21 April 1945, its "Königstigre" were deployed in the fighting around Mistelbach - Poysdorf - Staatz, in which 5-6 tanks were damaged and moved to Laa am der Thaya for repair. On 22-25 April 1945, only the last 4 combat-worthy tanks remained near the front line - 2 near Novy Prerov and 2 near Stronsdorf (I assume these were the tanks of K.Knispel and Feldwebel Skoda). Subsequently, on 26.4.1945 those 5-6 already repaired tanks started to move from the area of Laa am der Thaya to Suchohrdel u Miroslavi and in the same direction 2 tanks from Nový Přerov were already moved to Vlasatice. (This was one of the reactions of the German command to the Soviet breakthrough and capture of Brno). The last 2 tanks were moved from Stronsdorf to the Laa am der Thaya area on 26.4.1945, which means deeper into the rear. Probably they were to follow the nucleus of the unit in moving north. Here at this point my hypothesis begins - a local critical situation arose at the front in the vicinity of Stronsdorf and these 2 tanks did not continue their further transfer, but were sent back to their original position. There on 28.4.1945 they were knocked out in their last battle, with feldwebl Skoda killed and K.Knispel dying of his wounds. According to my estimate, K.Knispel died of his wounds the same day and was buried in the military cemetery in Vrbovec on 29.4.1945. (As for the core of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle, it was caught in the fighting on 30.4.1945 near Vlasatice).


While searching the German web, I came across one statement by Bernd Burmester that is not quite clear to me. It states that "K.Knispel er wurde schwer verwundet, starb in Urbau im HVP und wurde dort beerdigt" (K.Knispel was severely wounded and died in Vrbovec in the HVP, where he was also buried). I think this "HVP" represents the key to resolving quite a lot of questions. Can anyone identify what the abbreviation "HVP" means in German?
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Ad HVP:


Haupt-Verbandsplatz ?
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the "main dressing station" Razz
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Wow! We haven't gone anywhere yet and it's already the subject of an extensive monograph! Awesome!
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Let's just see if the grave can be found. But it's still just hypothetical data, so we'll see which version proves true I just wouldn't agree with this one too much:


As for Captain von Diest-Körber, his testimony is also only mediated and based on reports he received from his subordinates as commander of sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle.


This is because it is not yet known whether this testimony is mediated and is based only on reports. The report shows that he went to HQ to collect his decorations, so he was most likely with the unit at Vlasatic. If Knispel died there, he had first-hand knowledge. If he died in Vrbovec, he'd report. But so far, that's what this is about.
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To Gyry: You are right, in the case of Diest-Körber we have no confirmation whether or not he was an eyewitness to K.Knispel's last fight. However, his memoirs do not contain any details and only state that K.Knispel was killed on 30.4.1945 near Vlasatice without mentioning his burial place. It seems to me that this is too little information for an eyewitness. Moreover, official official documents indicate that Diest-Körber's post-war recollections may be far from accurate. This is my personal opinion for the time being and I will gladly wait for further information and findings. Wink
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Colleagues from private archive I have a photo of Sd.234/4 from FHH from around Znojmo, or from Znojmo. Although there is probably no Knispel but there is one "echt batch" please identify.
(Unfortunately I have rights to print only cut-outs from the photo)


a - places - According to the church, it might still be standing
b - the rank of the soldier



If this seems like OT to anyone, I'm sorry,.....I'm just saying what if it's fw.Skoda,....??


Thanks Dolin
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Hodnost či nějaké info?

Hodnost či nějaké info?
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Kostel v pozadí - určení místa?

Kostel v pozadí - určení místa?
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To Dolin: Prečo by sa to malo zdať niekomu ako OT? Apropo, čo je OT? Wink


V okolí Znojma som nikdy nebol, takže pri lokalizácii tej fotky veľmi nepomôžem. Jeden podobný kostol som síce videl na internete, ale netrúfam si odhadnúť či ide o tú istú budovu. (viď. fotky).


P.S. Ešte k fw.Skodovi – máš nejakú indíciu, že by naozaj mohol byť na tej fotografii?
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Pokračujem in pokusoch on identifikáciu ies jednotiek Červenej of the army, the town were koncom April fools ' day, 1945 nasadené in the surroundings of the Stronsdorfu. (Vychádzam of the hypothesis that the posledný fight To.Knispela prebehol right there). Zatiaľ sa me, however, nepodarilo nájsť žiaden relevantný source týkajúci sa regional countries in severovýchodnom Rakúsku. Programy russia-jazyčné historical štúdie and memoáre, ktorými som bomb factory prešiel, majú medzeru between 15.4.1945 (ukončenie Viedenskej operácie) and 7.5.1945 (zapojenie 2. the Ukrainian front in Pražskej operácie). It is in this intervale occurred to neúspešnému trying sovietskej 6. gardovej tankovej of the army of the hornád defense nemeckej 8. army in priestore Mistelbach – Staatz (19. – 21.4.1945). After týchto bojoch sa is línia stabilized juhovýchodne and južne from the Laa am der Thaya and tejto línii sa nachádzal etc Stronsdorf.

Vo svojom contribution of 23.4. som uviedol, that on this stretch were nasadené unit sovietskej 9. gardovej army. This tvrdenie, however, I have odvolať, lebo som've discovered that veliteľstvo 9. gardovej army and two of the three it " streleckých zborov were to tejto area presunuté up in prvom týždni the may, 1945. Evolution in the second half April fools ' day, 1945 pôsobili to the west of the Viedne in zostave 3. Ukrainian front, and then were podriadené 2. the Ukrainian front and sústredené in the field of súčasnej Czech-rakúskej boundaries to the east and juhovýchod from Znojmo. From the beauty of this priestoru prešli to attack 7.5.1945 in the context of the Pražskej operácie Červenej army.

Posledný týždeň April fools ' day, 1945 on a section of the front around the Stronsdorfu pôsobili unit sovietskej 46. army 2. Ukrainian front. Zatiaľ sa me but nepodarilo zistiť, which konkrétny choir and the town of his divízie were in tejto area nasadené. This väčšiny a java source file To.Knispel padol in the fight against sovietskym tankom and by the self-propelled I do so on the basis of the sa can be vysloviť hypothesis that had to ísť on niektorú of the tank and mechanized jednotiek podriadených sovietskej 46. army. This údajov to 1.4.1945 were tejto army podriadené 2. guards mechanized choir and 23. tanker choir. Nevie happen to niekto, in which we have the area of the sa tieto zbory nachádzali 28.4.1945 and or ešte still quite in zostave 46. of the army?

To 1.4.1945 were súčasťou 2. gardového mechanized zboru nasledovné services of the armed tankami and samohybnými delami: 4. gardová mechanized brigade, 5. gardová mechanized brigade, 6. gardová mechanized brigade, 37. gardová panzer brigade, 30. guards ťažký tank regiment, 1509. self-propelled delostrelecký regiment. To rovnakému dátumu were súčasťou 23. tank zboru nasledovné services of the armed tankami and samohybnými delami: 3. panzer brigade, 39. panzer brigade, 135. panzer brigade, 56. motostrelecká brigade, 1443. self-propelled delostrelecký regiment. Has niekto the adjacent ends of the údajmi on nasadení týchto útvarov at the end of April fools ' day, 1945?.
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this Viktor: the photos show the church from the Stronsdorfu.
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This Viktor: of Course, that I don't have the info and not even a hint that it could be about the Fw.Flowing (and if it was he probably already nežiju,...) but I just wondering if by chance someone have encountered in research on similar xichtík that it can be done after the match and so...
The church thanks, but I mean I think that it is not he,....
OT - OFF Topic.
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Dolin404: this forum is For forum.panzer-archiv.de
is photography, aaad, u ktereé below writes:



Die Bilder sind alle samt von Gotthold Wunderlich gemacht.Der Bahntransport war der vom damaligen Lt. Frhr. v. Rosen.Schwer verwundet worden ist ausserdem noch der Ofw. Bormann,+13.8.44.Ich bin dran,Bilder zu beschaffen-hab seine Tochter gefunden.
Die beiden auf dem Kommandanten 3. Photo sind:
-links:Ofw. Otto Sachs,+ 1981 in ............
-rechts:Fw. Heinrich Skoda,gefallen am 28.4.1945 in der Slowakei im Raum Znaim wie Knispel.Das Bild ist von Oktober 44 in Ungarn...
Day 'lütten' kenne ich nicht.

EDIT: Fixed the link on the photo.
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it Siegfried

Kostol is this month similar to, but chances are it won't Stronsdorf. Iný is the shape of the roof and tiež number of okienok on veži.

it Doli
On tvojich photos probably the nie is Fw. Heinrich Skoda. Of course ak sa nemýli Bernd Burmeister, nephew Hauptmanna von Diest-Körbera vo výbornom Steinerovom line. The tej photo of http://tinypic.com/2noutk would mal even Fw. The Skoda one on the right.

Len ma a little mätie zjavná nepresnosť in identifikácii lord Burmeistera in druhom Steinerovom line forum.panzer-archiv.de which uvádza that Skoda padol in Slovakia (!) in the area of Znojmo (!) rovnako ako Knispel (28.4.1945 in der Slowakei im Raum Znaim wie Knispel). Probably sa len preklepol, pretože všade inde uvádza Czechoslowakei.

it Steiner
Excellent line.
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Steiner, great photo, thanks for that link! One thing occurred to me in connection with H.Skoda. It might be worth writing to "Deutsche Dienstelle" and "Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge" to inquire about the exact date when H.Skoda fell and where he was buried. (I hope that their documents will give the exact location and not just the obligatory "Znojmo area"). It will be interesting to compare this with the data these two organizations have provided on K.Knispel. I'll put together a short email and see if they write back.


I assume that H.Skoda is buried in a different place than K.Knispel, because unlike him he was killed directly in combat. (I'm basing this on those sources that say K.Knispel suffered a severe wound and died after being taken to the infirmary). If the documents state that H.Skoda is buried somewhere in the vicinity of Stronsdorf (or in the vicinity of Vlasatice), I think our dilemma will be solved. All sources state that on the fateful day K.Knispel and H.Skoda were deployed together in the same battle. (I just hope that in those Skoda's documents some completely different location doesn't pop up). Shocked


As for that church, I'm not sure if it's the one in Stronsdorf either. When I was looking for internet records from local historical chronicles, I surfed the websites of all the villages in a 15 km radius around Stronsdorf. That's why the church stuck in my mind, because it's the only one that resembles the church in Dolin's photo. The current appearance of the church differs in some details from the church in the 1945 photo, but on the other hand it cannot be ruled out that the church in Stronsdorf was damaged during the fighting and reconstructed after the war to a slightly different appearance. (But this is just another hypothesis). Wink


P.S. Dolin, thanks for the explanation. At first I thought the OT was an armored personnel carrier, but somehow it didn't fit the context. Laughing
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Prikladám poznámky napísané na základe internetových stránok dedín z okolia Stronsdorfu, ktoré sa týkajú vojnových udalostí v apríli / máji 1945:


Kleinbaumgarten (východne od Stronsdorfu)
Bojové postavenia vojsk sa tiahli medzi Kleinbaumgarten a Gaubitsch, kde sa front stabilizoval od 20.4.1945 až do 8.5.1945. V dôsledku bojov zahynuli 2 obyvatelia obce a 6 domov bolo zničených.

Gnadendorf (juhovýchodne od Stronsdorfu, južne od Gaubitsch)
Na východnom okraji dediny vojaci SS vyhodili do vzduchu dva mosty a ustúpili. Gnadendorf bol obsadený bez boja 21.4.1945 sovietskou pechotou. Bola poškodený len kostol a obecná škola.

Patzmannsdorf (juhozápadne od Stronsdorfu)
Keď sa v apríly 1945 priblíži front, tak obyvatelia obce museli odovzdať svoj dobytok v Kammersdorfe. Keď už bolo počuť delostreleckú paľbu, tak sa skryli do pivníc domov a na miestnej fare. V pivnici na farskom dvore sa rozložilo veliteľstvo a v blízkosti nemeckí vojaci spravili aj miesto pre tankovanie benzínu. 21.4.1945 už boli všetci obyvatelia dediny v pivniciach a na fare sa skrývalo 40 ľudí. Susedná dedina Patzenthal bola ráno 22.4.1945 obsadená sovietskymi jednotkami. Na kostolnej veži bolo umiestnené pozorovacie stanovisko. Počas bojov bol prerušený rozvod elektriny a čoraz viac domov sa menilo na trosky. Nemeckí vojaci rekvírovali v opustených domoch a chytali domácu hydinu. Niekoľko civilných obyvateľov zahynulo alebo bolo zranených po zásahu delostreleckými črepinami. Dvor fary utrpel ťažký zásah a taktiež kostol bol dva krát zasiahnutý. Mosty nad miestnym potokom boli 24.4.1945 vyhodené do vzduchu. Vo dvore skoro každého domu bol nemecký tank. Dedinské domy boli v ohni striel a pocity civilných obyvateľov boli každý ďalší deň viac a viac depresívnejšie. Pobyt v pivniciach bol obzvlášť neznesiteľný pre deti. Nebolo možné variť, pretože na stúpajúci dym Sovieti okamžite zameriavali svoju paľbu. 4.5.1945 sa na fare skrývalo už 70 ľudí, ktorí prežívali v neznesiteľných podmienkach v pivniciach plných horúceho dusného vzduchu.
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P.S. Ešte jedná pikantéria. Ak si dáte do internetových vyhľadávačov dedinu Stronegg, ktorá sa nachádza na juh od Stronsdorfu, tak vás zahltí plno webstránok o lietajúcich tanieroch! Ano, čítate správne, nie je to preklep (a ja nemám vypité) Very Happy Pri Stroneggu mala byť tajná vedecko-výskumná konštrukčná kancelária, ktorá sa vraj venovala vývoju diskovitých lietajúcich strojov s nekonvenčným pohonom... (Sú tam celkom zábavné fotky, ale nemal som to silu čítať) Laughing
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Pripájam svoj pokus o rekonštrukciu frontového úseku pri Stronsdorfe na prelome apríla a mája 1945.
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to Panzer: podívej na tyhle stránky www.stronsdorf.at.www a klikni v seznamu na odkaz "Gemeinde" a dál na "Stronsdorf", tam najdeš ten kostel. Podobný kostel má ale i město Gaubitsch ... No myslím si, že kostel z toho válečného fota může klidně vypadat jinak-tak jak je na té fotce, než třeba jak je na té současné fotce co vložil Viktor. Je to přece už jen přes 60 let a za tu dobu mohl být klidně zrekonstruovaný či poopravený z nejrůznějších důvodů ...
Jinak přidávám odkaz týkajicí se měst a dědin v tomto prostoru www.noe.gv.at.www
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Citace - Panzer :

Len ma trochu mätie zjavná nepresnosť v identifikácii pána Burmeistera v druhom Steinerovom linku ... ktorý uvádza, že Skoda padol na Slovensku (!) v oblasti Znojma (!) rovnako ako Knispel (28.4.1945 in der Slowakei im Raum Znaim wie Knispel). Zrejme sa len preklepol, pretože všade inde uvádza Czechoslowakei.

Vysvětlení je velmi prosté. Stačí se podívat na druhou stranu dokumentu (D. Dienstelle - Knispel II.jpg) z tohoto příspěvku:
forum.valka.cz


Einsatzraume: Januar/Februar 1945 Ungarn, Marz/April 1945 Slowakei *)


Gefallen: 28.04.1945 Raum Znaim



Pan Burmeister prostě jen neví, že Znojmo neleží na Slovensku.


Ta poznámka *) směřuje na odkaz ze kterého se čerpalo - takže chybu udělal Georg Tessin ve své knize z roku 1973, když píše že PzAbt 503 byl nasazený na Slovensku, zatímco to bylo Rakousko a Morava Wink
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Well, I found one at my colleagues at KVH Litobratřice which is very similar,...and it is from us!
www.kvh.estranky.cz
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To Steiner:
Čo sa týka nasadenia sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle, tak dokument „Deutsche Dienstelle“ je presný. V januári a februári 1945 tento útvar pôsobil v Maďarsku, avšak vo februári sa už jednalo o územie súčasnej Slovenskej republiky, ktoré v rokoch 1940 – 1945 bolo pripojené k Maďarsku. Konkrétne išlo o oblasť na sútoku Dunaja a Hronu pri Ostrihome a Štúrove. Potom v marci 1945 sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle pôsobil na juhovýchod od Nitry pozdĺž frontu na rieke Hron. Táto oblasť bola vtedy pohraničným územím medzi vtedajším Slovenským štátom a Maďarskom. Od konca marca do polovice apríla 1945 trval ústup sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle cez západné Slovensko na južnú Moravu a do severovýchodného Rakúska. Toto však už v dokumente „Deutsche Dienstelle“ nie je zachytené, takže tam je v knihe Georga Tessina jednoznačne chyba.
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Ešte jeden záznam vychádzajúci z obecnej kroniky.


Gaubitsch (východne od Stronsdorfu)
Dedina bola sovietskymi vojakmi obsadená 22.4.1945 a frontová línia potom prebiehala medzi Gaubitsch a Kleinbaumgarten. V bojoch padlo 29 nemeckých a 21 sovietskych vojakov. V dôsledku bojov zahynulo, alebo bolo zavraždených 11 civilných obyvateľov Gaubitsch. V dedine bol zničený kostol, obecná škola, hostinec, stolárska dielňa, 13 obytných domov, 14 stajní a 21stodôl. V susednom Kleinbaumgarten boli zničené 2 obytné domy, 2 stodoly, 2 hospodárske budovy a 1 most. V Altenmarkt bol zničený kostolík, 4 obytné budovy, 6 stajní, 14 stodôl a 1 most. Dňa 24.4.1945 bol črepinou delostreleckého granátu smrteľne zasiahnutý do hlavy miestny farár Robert Drach. (Menovaný bol už od roku 1938 prenasledovaný nacistami a v júli 1940 zatknutý za počúvanie nepriateľského rozhlasu. V Grazi bol odsúdený na 5 rokov, ale v auguste 1942 bol prepustený z väzby). V dňoch 7. – 8.5.1945 boli obyvatelia Gaubitsch evakuovaní do Gnadendorf a Zwententdorf. Kleinbaumgarten a Altenmarkt boli sovietskymi jednotkami obsadené 8.5.1945.
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Na webovej http://eigner.ei.funpic.de/historisches.htm, odkiaľ som prebral vyššie uvedený prepis z kroniky obce Gaubitsch sa nachádza aj jedna rarita. Ide o amatérsku schému frontovej línie pri dedinách okolo Gaubitsch, Kleinbaumgarten a Altenmarkt na prelome apríla a mája 1945. Predpokladám, že sa jedná o dobovú schému z obecnej kroniky spravenú na základe výpovedí miestnych obyvateľov.


Najviac ma zaujal ten Königstiger v ľavej časti schémy tesne pred nemeckými líniami na ceste z Altenmarkt do Ungerndorf. Ide o oblasť cca 4 kilometre východne od Stronsdorfu a podľa dostupných záznamov v tejto oblasti operovali len 2 tanky sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle. (Tak ako som písal už dávnejšie, podľa môjho názoru sa s najväčšou pravdepodobnosťou jednalo o tanky K.Knispela a H.Skodu). Žiaľ pri tejto schéme je len uvedené, že zachytáva priebeh frontovej línie od 22.4 do 8.5.1945 a žiadne ďalšie údaje nie sú k dispozícii.


Na schéme je zakreslených 9 zničených tankov T-34 a 1 zničený „sturmpanzer“ (podľa pozície predpokladám, že to bude asi sovietske samohybné delo). Okrem Königstigeru je na schéme nakreslený aj jeden Panther (na okraji Ungerndorf pod Ungerhof). Dá sa len špekulovať, či tieto tanky boli nasadené iba v jednom tankovom boji, alebo či ide o stroje zničené počas celého obdobia, kedy línia frontu na dva týždne ustrnula v tejto oblasti. Pokúšal som sa rozlúštiť tú rukou písanú poznámku medzi nápismi „Ungerndorf“ a „Ungerhof“, ale bez úspechu. Píše sa tam niečo o 5 a 3 tankoch T-34, ale netuším čo to znamená.
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Co znamená to sowjet scharfsutze u kingtigeru?
U těch T-34 nahoře si myslím že jde o něco ve smyslu :
v tom směru tolik a tolik tanků,..ale jen dohad


Jinak kolego teda obdivuji!!!!!!!!!!!
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to Doli


Soviet scharfschütze znamená sovietsky odstreľovač, resp. ostrostrelec.


to Viktor: klobúk dole pred tvojimi investigatívnymi schopnosťami Very Happy
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Citace - Dolin404 :

Co znamená to sowjet scharfsutze u kingtigeru?

Doli, nevím, jestli se tvoje myšlenky ubírají stejným směrem jako moje Smile
ale přemýšlel sem, jak mohl padnout Fw. Skoda (velitel tanku) a pak ve stejný den dostal Fw. Knispel jeho bojeschopný KingTiger?


scharfschütze je opravdu ostřelovač


Ten plánek asi nemalovali místní pamětníci, vypadá to spíš na náčrt situace namalovanou přímo někým od němců, snad součást hlášení, protože jsou tam použitý vojenský značky a zkratky.


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Můj dojem z náčrtku je asi tento:
- Panther zničil 4x T34 jedoucí po silnici z Fallbachu (vpravo nahoře) a pak ustoupil (narozdíl od všech T34 nemá ani Panther ani KT nad sebou obláček)
- KT pak asi zničil tanky které projely a jsou roztroušeny po mapě (5x T34 + jedna samohybka)


Jediný co mi na tom náčrtku nesedí, je ta poznámka úplně nahoře
... 5 T34 / ... ~3 T34 (podle mně udává počty zničených tanků Pantherem a KonigsTigerem a ten nečitelný text můžou být jména)


přitom na náčrtku je tanků víc
5T34 + samohybka + 4T34


ale je tam taky D.PAK (německé protitankové dělo vpravo od altenmarkt a vpravo nahoře asi 200m od něho je velký flak, může být 88mm), takže mohlo mít na svědomí třeba tu samohybku
a pak by ta poznámka odpovídala, protože ~3 T34 můžou být ty 4 namalovaný na silnici z Fallbachu
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další zkratky použitý na mapě:
DMG - německý kulomet (Deutsche MachineGewehr)
RMG - ruský kulomet (Russian MachineGewehr)
DVP - německý ??? (Deutsche ??? Position - nic mě nenapadá)
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Citace - Steiner :


další zkratky použitý na mapě:
DMG - německý kulomet (Deutsche MachineGewehr)
RMG - ruský kulomet (Russian MachineGewehr)
DVP - německý ??? (Deutsche ??? Position - nic mě nenapadá)




Deutsche Verbandplatz - nemecké obväzisko?
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E-ee, to by jich nebylo tolik přímo v poli. Je tam značka puntík s čárkou. Spíš nějaký palebný postavení.


A až teď sem si všiml, že tam byly taky 2 Flakvierlingy, jeden vpravo od 88mm kousek od místa kde je namalovaná skupina mrtvých ruských vojáků, muselo to být maso ... Druhý je úplně vlevo nahoře.
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Steiner


Tak potom by to mohlo byť Deutsche Verbande Position - pozície nemeckých jednotiek (pechota)
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Díky za uznanie. Very Happy Surfovanie po internete je perfektný relax. Wink


V prípade tých rakúskych dedín sa dalo nájsť aspoň niečo, ale v prípade ruských zdrojov je to zúfalé. Tam všetko končí 16.4.1945 a potom to vyzerá tak, ako keby po zavŕšení Viedenskej operácie boli v severovýchodnom Rakúsku „frontové prázdniny“ a Frici hrali na harmonikách a Ivani na balalajkách. Mám z toho taký pocit, že nasadenie 6. gardovej tankovej armády a 46. armády na rakúskom území v druhej polovici apríla 1945 bolo na úradný pokyn „zabudnuté“. Sovietska historiografia vykresľovala nasadenie Červenej armády v roku 1945 ako nepretržitú šnúru víťazstiev a operačný neúspech v priestore Mistelbach – Staatz – Stronsdorf jej skrátka nesedel do scenára... (Muselo to tam byť dosť husté, pretože napríklad len nemecká 6. pancierová divízia hlásila 20.4.1945 medzi Mistelbachom a Zistersdorfom 80 zasiahnutých sovietskych tankov a samohybných diel).


Celkom sa mi pozdáva tá Steinerom naznačená hypotéza – H.Skoda mohl padnúť po zásahu sovietskeho odstreľovača v momente, keď bol vysunutý z veže svojho tanku. To potom umožnilo, aby K.Knispel pokračoval v boji na jeho tanku, keď jeho vlastný tank bol vyradený. Otázkou však je, či to bolo naozaj tak a či sa to odohralo 4 kilometre na východ od Stronsdorfu práve pri obci Altenmarkt. Myslím že by sme mali príliš veľké šťastie, ak by tá schéme zachytávala práve ten osudný boj z 28.4.1945 (teda aspoň jeho prvú fázu).


Čo sa týka tej schémy, tak si stále myslím, že ide o povojnovú rekonštrukciu. Mohol ju robiť bývalý vojak, ktorý sa z frontu vrátil domov a na základe popisu očitých svedkov všetko nakreslil a doplnil tie vojenské značky a skratky. Nevyzerá to ale na schému robenú v reálnom čase v bojovej situácii. V rôznych archívoch som takéto schémy videl a žiadna nebola tak „umelecky“ nakreslená ako táto naša. V súvislosti s tým stále premýšľam čo znamenajú tie červené a modré polkruhy, ktoré sú za nemeckou a sovietskou líniou. Vyzerá to ako „indiánske chodníky“, ale nezdá sa mi žeby išlo o spojovacie zákopy.
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Citace - Viktor :


Celkom sa mi pozdáva tá Steinerom naznačená hypotéza – H.Skoda mohl padnúť po zásahu sovietskeho odstreľovača v momente, keď bol vysunutý z veže svojho tanku. To potom umožnilo, aby K.Knispel pokračoval v boji na jeho tanku, keď jeho vlastný tank bol vyradený.
Čo sa týka tej schémy, tak si stále myslím, že ide o povojnovú rekonštrukciu. Mohol ju robiť bývalý vojak, ktorý sa z frontu vrátil domov a na základe popisu očitých svedkov všetko nakreslil a doplnil tie vojenské značky a skratky. Nevyzerá to ale na schému robenú v reálnom čase v bojovej situácii. V rôznych archívoch som takéto schémy videl a žiadna nebola tak „umelecky“ nakreslená ako táto naša.

O pár stránek vpředu bylo uvedeno, že Knispel utrpěl těžké zranění a při pokusu ho zachránit byl Skoda zabit. Pozice sov. odstřelovače je velmi blízko u KT, kdoví, nebyl-li přímo pod ním. Je tam nakreslen 1 mrtvý a 1 polomrtvý?-neúplná kresba, nebo kříž.
Když se podíváme na schémátko (hluboká poklona Viktorovi za jeho hledání na netu - mně se ty rakouské stránky vůbec nezobrazily, natož abych je byl schopen sám najít!), je ta sovětská samochodka sakra blízko KT (800 m) a na tuto vzdálenost už KT klidně mohla odrovnat, než byla sama zničena.
Ve Vrbovci ještě žije jeden pamětník, který měl sdělit, že vojenské pohřebiště tam bylo za zdí normálního hřbitova, mělo tam být pohřbeno 12 vojáků. Kamarád mi stále ještě nesdělil podrobnosti - onen pamětník je údajně dlouhodobě mimo Vrbovec. Jen aby neumřel, než ho budeme moci podrobně vyzpovídat. Sad
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V časopise HPM které vyšlo v únoru 2006 je prý článek kde se píše, že Knispel padl v boji u obce Suchohrdly u Znojma. Nemáte někdo ten časopis k dispozici?
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Ja som ako naschvál zatiaľ našiel len 3/2006. Aj keď aj v ňom je veľa info o jednotkách nasadených v bojoch na Znojemsku.

Ale Doli ho určite bude mať, keďže na konci článku Tanky na Dyji je mu venované poďakovanie autorov za pomoc pri príprave článku Smiling Army
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Ve článku Tanky na Dyji I Miloše Ludvíka v HPM 2/2006 se na straně 24 píše "... Vážné oslabení potkalo oddíl 29. dubna pravděpodobně poblíž obce Suchohrdly u Miroslavi, kde zahynul uffz. Knispel, který od roku 1943 zničil na 168 tanků ...". Na téže stránce se nachází i mapka frontové linie a umístění sovětských a německých jednotek. Na stránce 29 je tabulka německých vojáků, kteří zemřeli v polních lazaretech a Knisplovo jméno se zde nevyskytuje. Tabulka nemusí být kompletní, ale tak významná persona by tam snad nechyběla, pokud by zemřela v lazaretu.
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It's Fantan:
Where exactly is it stated that K.Knispel suffered a serious injury and H.Skoda fell while trying to save him? I've gone through the previous pages, but I can't find this information.


As for the Soviet sniper, my understanding of the diagram is that the arrow shows the direction from which he was firing. It doesn't seem to me that the sniper was hidden in the road ditch next to the tank. Rather, I assume he was firing from Soviet positions.


Regarding that Soviet samochodka, I think it was deployed on a different day than the Königstiger. The diagram captures the period from 22.4 to 8.5.1945, so it could well be that the duel of the Panther with the T-34 coming down the road from Fallbach took place on one day. The next day, or a few days later, there could have been a duel between the Königstiger and other T-34s advancing from Ungerndorf. And on a completely different day, a duel could have taken place between German anti-tank guns, which probably knocked out one T-34 and one self-propelled gun attacking the Altenmarkt. That is to say, hypotheses, hypotheses and hypotheses. Neutral I guess we will move on only when we find a local memorial, or contemporary documents in the archives.


To Agnes:
What source is the author of the article in HPM 2/2006 referring to when he states that K.Knispel was killed on 29.4.1945 probably near Suchohrdel near Miroslav?
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to Viktor, the red and blue lines are probably painted lines of the queue related to some day, it corresponds to what is on the picture, i.e. it always relies on natural or artificial obstacles (red for example a stream and then some slope painted on the right, blue a minefield and the edge of the village. Unlike Steiner, I would guess that it was painted by a local, it's painted in a very amateurish way and I don't know where he sees military markings there, a tank is never painted in the markings as far as I know like when a child draws it and neither are other things. It's just drawn by someone who (maybe long after the fight) drew what it looked like "after the fight". It's interesting, of course, and unfortunately there's not much else on the page in question either Sad (it's quite easy to get there, just put old : http://eigner.ei.funpic.de then get rid of the intrusive advertising, put "die anderen" and then on the page choose "historiches" it's about halfway down the page in question. I confess that I'm not too bothered about this topic, I would just warn you not to draw complex conclusions from this picture (for example about switching from tank to tank), it would certainly be worth trying to project this onto a real map (probably should be possible to find on the net) where the surroundings would be accurately drawn, at least the stream, and some roads should exist. This is painted so that the ratios and distances may not be correct (try to draw a hand drawn plan of the road to the cottage sometime Smile ) the locals don't mind of course, they know that maybe two points are farther or closer, but without a map here you can't tell where to see from where at all (for example because of terrain roughness) so guessing where to shoot from is so on the level of the game. You're putting quite a bit of effort into this, so it would be a shame to waste it on, say, drawing conclusions from an uncertain base. The destroyed equipment probably fits (certainly the numbers and probably the types) rather the topology doesn't fit, it's very amateurish and certainly not the work of an officer or someone who routinely made similar situational plans.
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Mapa okolí Altenmarkt - viz příloha, zdroj www.supermapy.cz


Bitaxe: nakonec se taky kloním k tomu, že to maloval někdo z rakušáků, němci by nenapsali D.Panther (německý panther) a s těma značkama máš pravdu.
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Viktore, píšeš o tom ty sám v úplně prvním příspěvku:
"F.Kurowski uvádza, že sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle bol presunutý do Wostitz (Vlasatice) 26.4.1945. Počas nasledujúcich štyroch dní sa tento útvar zapojil do intenzívnych bojov (27. – 30.4.1945). Priestor týchto bojov však autor nelokalizuje.
V týchto bojoch mal 29.4.1945 padnúť aj K.Knispel po tom, ako v tento deň zničil svoj posledný (168.) nepriateľský tank. V rovnaký deň mal padnúť aj feldwebel Skoda, ktorý sa na svojom tanku pokúšal v kritickej situácii pomôcť tanku K.Knispela."
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to Viktor: For this information there is only a note 2) that K. K. was awarded the German Cross in Gold (DKiG) on 20.05.44 for the destruction of 101 armoured vehicles in the period 07/1942 - 03/1944. Otherwise he cites the following sources and literature: see picture. It is scanned in b/w only (copyright).
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Agnes a takhle předchozí stránka by tam nebyla? Tohle je pro tohle téma naprosto k ničemu - začíná to až 8.5.45 a o Knispelovi je tam jen zmínka o vyznamenání z doby, kdy působil jako střelec, nikoli velitel tanku. A když už skenuješ čb, bylo by dobré dělat to půtónově, ne jako pérovku, na tom Panterovi Ausf.G (který s tématem souvisí jen zcela okrajově) není vidět lautr nic, než silueta.
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To Fantan: Článek má asi osm stran, mám to oskenované barevně a celé, ovšem to co jsem napsal je (podle mě) jediná věc týkající se K. K. A jde mi hlavně o neporušení autorských práv, proto pouze cituji a naskenoval jsem pouze zdroje a literaturu, použitou autorem článku. Pokud mi administrátor či moderátor dá svolení, klidně to sem hodím celé.
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To Fantan:
Díky, svoje príspevky som pri hľadaní preskočil. Embarassed A to som si myslel, že aspoň cez prázdniny nebudem roztržitý. Very Happy


Ešte raz som nalistoval tú pasáž v knihe F.Kurowskeho a je to tak ako som písal vtedy – autor tvrdí, že H.Skoda padol pri pokuse pomôcť K.Knispelovi. Druhá verzia je tá, ktorú uviedol Panzer vo svojom profile K.Knispela. Vychádza zo spomienok H.Bechtela, ktorý uviedol, že H.Skoda padol v jeden deň a K.Knispel presadol do jeho tanku a padol nasledujúci deň.
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To Bitaxe:
Pokúsil som sa predstaviť si, ako sa podľa tých červených a modrých polkruhov mohol posúvať front v jednotlivé dni, ale akosi mi to nesedí. Aj podľa nákresu aj podľa mapky ktorú zavesil Steiner to vychádza na posuny rádovo v 200 – 300 metroch. Toto však nebola Prvá svetová vojna, kde sa väčšinou bojovalo takýmto štýlom. Napadlo ma iné vysvetlenie. Žiadna frontová línia nie je lineárna, ale aj na tej najnižšej taktickej úrovni je členená do hĺbky. Preto tá červená a modrá čiara znázorňujú len pomyselnú hranicu sovietskych a nemeckých postavení, medzi ktorými je „zem nikoho“ . Samotné postavenia sú však značené práve tými červenými a modrými polkruhmi a predstavujú do hĺbky členené obranné pozície. Vtedy na konci Druhej svetovej vojny už väčšinou nešlo o súvislé pásy zákopov, ale o línie tvorené okopmi pre jedného či dvoch vojakov, doplnené palebnými postami guľometov určenými nielen pre čelnú ale aj pre bočnú paľbu do vnútra vlastných postavení.


Čo sa týka tejto schémy tak máš pravdu, z nej sa nedajú vyvodiť žiadne závery. My vyvodzujeme len hypotézy. Very Happy Tie sa budú dať overiť až na základe dokumentov alebo spomienok očitých svedkov. Ale netrúfam si odhadnúť, kedy sa k tomu dopracujeme.
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Prosím, je tady někdo, kdo je schopný dát dohromady seznam (lokalizace + fotodokumentace pokud je k dispozici) všech vraků Konigstigerů na jižní moravě a zvlášť v okolí Znojma? Dolin??? V této chvíli by to dost pomohlo.


Znojmo (nádraží) bylo hlavní seřadiště těžce poškozené techniky, kterou nemohli opravit v polních dílnách. Zná někdo přesný způsob, jak se ty vraky do Znojma dostávaly? Kde se nakládaly na železnici, případně kde byly umístěné polní dílny 503.PzAbt v odbobí od 22.4. do 8.5.1945?
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Někde na 1.-2. stránce je uvedeno, že štáb a dílny 503PzAbt. byly v tomto časovém období umístěny v Suchohrdlech u Miroslavi.
Optimální by bylo dostat se k publikaci, vydané soukromě v Německu, nebo k jiné dokumentaci (bojový deník jednotky) - tam by měly být podrobnosti o ztrátách. Jednotek, vyzbrojených KT na jižní Moravě zase tolik neoperovalo.
Mimochodem, všimli jste si, že na tom náčrtku je kvanta ruských zničených tanků, ale jen JEDEN KT a Panther? Přitom u obou není obláček, naznačující výbuch a zničení. Je ovšem možné, že byly v silném boji rozstříleny a pak tam stály jako vraky - pro kreslíře jen orientační body, pro předsunutého odstřelovače ideální úkryt.
Jo a ještě něco: jestli tohle je místo, kde padl Knispel, pak se asi nesetkal s F.Luzou, jehož útvar byl vyzbrojen Shermany a to není ani jeden ze zakreslených vraků.
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to Viktor souhlasím (i by to barevně odpovídalo) opravdu to mohou být linie obou protivníků a ty červené a pár modrých značek (ony nejsou zdaleka půlkruhové některé jsou i hranaté Smile ) by mohly být okopy, u těch bych už vůbec nevěřil že by byly správně, jde určitě spíš o znázornění že tam někde byly, podobně jako to že někde bylo (asi po boji) nalezeno několik mrtvých rusů (možná jen "v rohu Helmutovo pole co jsou ty keře leželo xy mrtvých rusů) opravdu to vypadá že to maloval někdo místní (i s těmi výbuchy tanků). Mimochodem pokud se to malovalo až po boji (a to asi ano) tak pamětníci asi neviděli v době boje toho KT a možná ani panthera, (logicky koukali směrem k hrozícímu nepříteli) takže i to může (zdaleka nemusí) být důvodem proč nejsou malovány s výbuchem, dalším důvodem může být psychologie, rusové nás tady vydrancovali a tak je namaluju vybuchlé Smile takže bych to zas tak přesně nebral. Otázkou je i jak dlouho po boji se to malovalo, třeba to někdo dělal až po letech podle vyprávění.
Myslím že by vám pomohlo kdybyste si teď udělali přehled toho co víte (včetně zdrojů) toho co jste zjistili a toho co z toho vyvozujete a proč (případně podle čeho). Celá diskuze je už docela nepřehledná a myslím že se občas zamotáváte a ztrácíte přehled.
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Citace - Fantan :

Něwhere on the 1st-2nd page it is stated, žthat the headquarters and workshops of the 503PzAbt. were in this čtime period located in Suchohrdle near Miroslav.

Well, right, that's why I'm asking about it. One of the three variants of the place of Knispel's death is given as the area near Suchohrdel near Miroslav. I think that Knispel could have ended up in Suchohrdle in the repair shops. From this, someone could deduce from the memorial (German soldiers) that Knispel fell somewhere in this area. If we can find out when the Tiger arrived there, we can pinpoint possible places where he could have come from.

EDIT: Specifically we are looking for a Skodův Tiger II with Henschel, zimmerit and serial number 332 (Skoda belonged to 3.kg 503.PzAbt, he had it in 1945, we hope he didn't replace it).
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Nemáte náhodou k tématu někdo k dispozici tuhle knihu?


Franz Jordan: April 1945
Die Kämpfe im nordöstlichen Niederösterreich


http://www.oeog.at/ogs/mg.htm#mg3


Mimochodem, na přebalu poznávám "Hrabětický tank" ?
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1 - Ano HPM mám obě dvě co je v nich o "Tancích na Dyji",......Klidně je naskenuju a hodím na uschovnu cz,....Večer
2 - Knížka vypadá SUPROVĚ!!!!!!!!!!!!! A Ano Hrabětice,....ještě když tam byl,...
Zkusím to objednat,....
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Agnes wrote: "In Miloš Ludvík's article Tanks on the Dyje I in HPM 2/2006, on page 24, he writes "... Your weakening met the detachment on 29 April, right, near the village of Suchohrdly near Miroslav, where uffz. Knispel, who destroyed 168 tanks since 1943 ...".
Viktor asks doubtfully where this information came from. I believe žthat it is a strong abbreviation and interpretation of the report of the Hauptmann commander Dr. von Diest-Körber, whosež headquarters was actuallyčně based in Suchohrdle (I quote him on page 2). The place where Knispel fell is thus no more certain, but rather there is even more confusion.
I believe že we must have at least one fixed point and thereforeže Němci měe in the evidence almost ře ř to the end, there is nož přIt should be noted that Knispel was wounded at Stronsdorf, from where he was transported to Vrbovec, where he died and is buried.
The only explanation that corresponds to this is Viktor's theory about the return of Knispel and Skoda tanks back to Austria.
This is confirmed in Victor's citation of Jordan's book "April 1945 - Die Kämpfe im nordöstl. Niederösterreich" (April 1945 - the battles in the northeastern part of Lower Austria)" - two posts from 29.5.07 at the beginning of page 3.
The amateurishly drawn map is from the area northeast of Stronsdorf (it has to be turned 90° to the right) and therefore it shows the situation PŘED by the death of Knispel (otherwise Altenmarkt would be listed as the place of injury).
Certainly; one could get a lot of information from local memorials, but to do so one would need to have a čhunter with him, handling the bě;The ability to read the texts of the chronicles does not stand still (moreover, no entry will be written in Latin, everything in cursive!)
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Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - HPM 2/2006

HPM 2/2006
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - HPM 2/2006

HPM 2/2006
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Well, I once talked to M.Ludvík by e-mail on this subject and he wrote me that the info about Knispel's death is just copied - rewritten information from the book. I don't remember which one. I'll try to dig it up somewhere.


HERE SOMETHING FROM M.LUDVIK - AUTHOR OF THE ARTICLE IN HPM
Hi,
nothing new for us yet, you know our region is quite rich...Surprised))))
However, if I remember correctly the first info about his death was from the German
service and the other from the Panzer Access II and the diary of Körber, i.e. the commander
503.sHPzAbt/FHH.
The alleged discrepancy about the place of wounding - death we think that despite the German consistency
was simply unfortunate for Knispel at the end of the war when almost nothing worked as
should have been, right.
Moreover, his death at Stronsdorf is unlikely from our point of view because
there was practically nothing significant going on down below Laa at that date.
April, the heaviest fighting was going on at Vlasatice - literally bloody. When the Germans found out that the Russians
were trying to make a breakthrough here, they secretly moved all possible equipment there, i.e. 13.PzD and
parts of the 25th PzD and the 503rd Troop itself. There were heavy casualties on both sides and the Germans
almost bled to death there but did not retreat significantly (7.5. then 2.UF directed
offensive on Pragl but by then the Germans were already maneuvering out of the area).
It would be strange for the best tankers to "rest" in the south and not be where it was "burning"...
The fact is that down below Laa there was 509kan in the Grossharas-Mailberg area but it was not, I think, subordinated to PzK FHH at that time
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Pokud je pravda, že Fw.Skoda zahynul 28.4. ve snaze pomoct Knispelovi v kritické situaci, nebo že Knispel svůj poslední boj 29.4. bojoval ve Skodově tanku, pak nemohlo jít o Stronsdrof, protože Fw.Skoda padl v boji u Vlasatic a je pochován v Suchohrdlech (7km od Vlasatic, zdroj: www.volksbund.de).


Takže tu máme pohádku o společném boji Skody a Knispela, nebo pohádku o Stronsdorfu.


[code:1]A1490912
Nachname: Skoda
Vorname: Heinrich
Dienstgrad: Feldwebel
Geburtsdatum: 17.09.1915
Geburtsort: Stuttgart
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 28.04.1945
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Raum Znojmo


Heinrich Skoda wurde noch nicht auf einen vom Volksbund errichteten Soldatenfriedhof überführt oder konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden. Nach den uns vorliegenden Informationen befindet sich sein Grab derzeit noch an folgendem Ort:


Suchohrdly u Miroslavi - Tschechische Republik[/code:1]


EDIT: Fw.Skoda byl ze 3.zug sPzAbt 503 FHH, Fw.Knispel byl z 1.zug sPzAbt 503 FHH. Nevím kolik Tigerů měl každý zug 28.4., ale nezdá se mi, žeby byly obě jednotky současně nasazený na jednom místě, když celý sPzAbt 503 FHH držel frontu dlouhou několik desítek kilometrů ...
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To Fantan: In my opinion, the only fixed point we have is the burial place of K.Knispel. He was taken to the main dressing station in Vrbovec after a serious injury and died there. The question is immediately related to that - which unit had its main dressing station in Vrbovec? In my opinion it was not sPzAbt 503 FHH, because its headquarters, repair shops and probably also the dressing station had already moved more north to Suchohrdel near Miroslav on 26 April 1945.


So far the most logical version seemed to me that the last battle of K.Knispel took place in the vicinity of Stronsdorf. However, on the basis of Steiner's information I have to reconsider my position. The information about the burial place of H.Skoda is a strong clue in favour of the version that the last battle of K.Knispel could have taken place near Vlasatica.


You are absolutely right about the memorials and the municipal chronicles. We will find out more in a year when we go to that area for "research"Smile But maybe we can find out something earlier via email. I am in contact with the director of the local museum in Zwingendorf, to whom I gave the link to our discussion. He promised to look at that photo of Dolin with the church and write if it is a church in Stronsdorf or in another village in their region. Maybe he will also send more information about the fighting in late April/May 1945.
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To Steiner: Thanks for the information! I agree with your conclusion: either H.Skoda and K.Knispel were deployed together in the last battle at Vlasatice, or on the fateful day each of them fought in a different place (H.Skoda at Vlasatice and K.Knispel at Stronsdorf). I am still waiting for a reply from the "Deutsche Dienstelle" and I assume that in the case of H.Skoda they will only confirm what the "Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge" has listed in their database.


As for H.Skoda serving in the 3rd /sPzAbt 503 FHH and K.Knispel serving in the 1st /sPzAbt 503 FHH, I would not conclude from that that they could not have fought together at the same time in the same place. While it is true that sPzAbt 503 FHH operated as a corps unit and was deployed on a front of several tens of kilometers, at this stage of the war it was mostly a deployment of small "kampfgruppen" consisting of 2-3 tanks. If a critical situation arose on any section of the front, a "kampfgruppe" composed of those tanks and crews that were available at the time was sent in. Therefore, in a similar situation, K.Knispel could easily have found himself in the same "kampfgruppe" as H.Skoda.
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to steiner, I think you have a mistake there, zug is as far as I know a platoon and according to the designation you use it should be a company (kompanie) if they really passed each in a different platoon (but in the same company) then they probably would have fought together, in fact at the end of the war the numbers of equipment were so low that they probably served even if they were in different companies. The Germans quite commonly created (not only at the end of the war) groups that were for a given purpose and after the end of the war were disbanded (various kampfgruppe and the like) these did not have much in common with the unit in which the individual served. It could have been similar here, they could have just gotten into some ad hoc unit and fought together. Similarly with the dressing station, this of course accepted all soldiers from a given area, so a soldier could easily get to another unit's dressing station after being wounded (and die there). You can't tell too much from that, it's a clue that the unit was in that area (at least part of it), the problem is that in heavy tank battalions often only one company was allocated and it could be quite far from the original unit. You can't tell much from the organisational structure, it's a clue but not a certainty.
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Citace - Steiner :

Pokud je pravda, že Fw.Skoda zahynul 28.4. ve snaze pomoct Knispelovi v kritické situaci, nebo že Knispel svůj poslední boj 29.4. bojoval ve Skodově tanku, pak nemohlo jít o Stronsdrof, protože Fw.Skoda padl v boji u Vlasatic a je pochován v Suchohrdlech (7km od Vlasatic, zdroj: www.volksbund.de).
Takže tu máme pohádku o společném boji Skody a Knispela, nebo pohádku o Stronsdorfu.


[code:1]A1490912
Nachname: Skoda
Vorname: Heinrich
Dienstgrad: Feldwebel
Geburtsdatum: 17.09.1915
Geburtsort: Stuttgart
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 28.04.1945
Todes-/Vermisstenort: Raum Znojmo


Heinrich Skoda wurde noch nicht auf einen vom Volksbund errichteten Soldatenfriedhof überführt oder konnte im Rahmen unserer Umbettungsarbeiten nicht geborgen werden. [color=darkred]Nach den uns vorliegenden Informationen befindet sich sein Grab derzeit noch an folgendem Ort: Suchohrdly u Miroslavi - Tschechische Republik[/color][/code:1]

No, podle mne je tohle sdělení tak strašně neurčité, že se z něj rozhodně nedá vycházet, takže bych tu "pohádku" tak moc nezatracoval. Prostupem různými stupni hlášení se na konci zcela ztratí podrobnosti. Podle mne na Volksbundu vůbec netuší, jak a kde padl - to bych víc věřil těm vzpomínkám "kriegskamarádů". Měli dost času si o tom vyprávět a pak vzpomínat - i když, jak píše bitaxe (a mnozí další - viz Pytlák o Fajtlovi "hochu, já už si taky houby pamatuju"), ony ty vzpomínky pamětníků taky nemusí být úplně přesné. Ale rozhodně obsahují víc podrobností.
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to Steiner: and are you sure that the Königstiger with the number 332 on the turret belonged to H.Skoda ??? There is one KT with the number 332 (it also has a Henschel turret) in a museum, but it is a tank abandoned by the crew during the Ardennes offensive and "confiscated" by the Western Allies... here more
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Sigfried: the tank you mention belonged to the SSS-PzAbt. 501, that's a completely different unit


The organization of the sPzAbt from 1.11.1944 was as follows:
chrito.users1.50megs.com


Command cars were marked with Roman I and II
(for example, the abandoned Kingtiger near Trebon belonging to von Diest-Körber was marked with a Roman I)
the unit had 3 companies
each company 3 zugas
each zug 4 wagons


the numerical marking on the turret meant (companie)(zug)(wagon)
so Skoda's Kingtiger, number 332, was the 2nd car of the 3rd zug of the 3rd company.
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Vím že patřil jednotce sSS-PzAbt. 501, jen mi právě bylo divné, že to číslo 332 mohli mít dva tanky, ač od jiné jednotky...
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I'll post a diagram of the organization of sPzAbt 509 here (even though it's not the same unit we're interested in, the diagram is the same, if anyone can find sPzAbt 503 directly, post it here).


On the second picture are the distinguishing marks (insignia) of each sPzAbt, by them you can tell which unit the technician belongs to.
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it is (at least in general) as it is in the picture, that means that if two tanks from different battalions but from the same company (within the battalion) are next to each other they can have the same number. It just repeats. The system is the same for other units and it worked quite well. This is what my question to Steiner led to, a zug is simply a very low unit (actually the lowest) and tanks of two zugs from the same company could easily fight together (especially at the end of the war). By the way, the turret numbers are not very indicative, if the unit was in combat it was common that a tank came from repair with a number (there was no time to do any repainting and it would have to be done at the unit) and was subsequently assigned to a crew, regardless of the fact that according to the number it belonged elsewhere. Rewriting the number was then dealt with after withdrawal from combat and during major maintenance. So there could have been a tank with the number 334 in the 1st platoon of the 1st company Smile
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Není vám na hlášení D.Dienstelle něco divného ??
Data povýšení se shodují s daty v lazaretu a datem úmrtí.
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bitaxe: máš pravdu, uklepl sem se, je to "kompanie" a ne zug
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to WLK : the Deutsche Dienstelle letter shows that these are the ranks listed in the reports, i.e. reports of injuries, hospital stays and deaths. It is also stated in the paragraph Dienstgrade - Ranks in brackets žthat there is no data on promotions. Thus, the data given does not represent the date of promotion.
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I have the impression that some tanks from 501.s.SS were transferred to 503.s.PzAbt,or 509.s.Pz.Abt...or vice versa,...
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Pokud se v jednotce sešly tanky od dvou původních jednotek mohlo se na nějakou dobu stát že stejné číslo nesly dva stroje, a že čísla neodpovídaly schématu
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After the defeat on the Western Front and the destruction of all Tigers at Fallais in June 1944, sPzAbt 503 was fully equipped with 45 new TigerII (Konigstiger) on 9.9.1944. As of 12.10.1944 it had 45 new TigerIIs with Henschel turrets and 2 TigerIIs with Porsche turrets (the only 2 TigerIIs rescued from France). By the end of the year he had lost 19 Tigers.


21.12.1945 was renamed sPzAbt 503 "Feldherrenhalle"


From 21.12. lost another 7 Tigers, 11.3.1945 received 5pcs of new Tigers from production, did not reach the table numbers and had only 26 TigerIIs in condition (of which 19 combat capable).


In March 1945 (according to photos) Fw.Skoda had a tank with number 332.


Since its inception (21.12.1944) FHH had not received any Tiger from another unit, only new production units.


So the possibility that Tigers with tactical numbers from other units fought at FHH is excluded. On the other hand, at least two machines fought without tactical numbers (I have seen photos).


But it is not excluded that Skoda died in another tank of his unit, his could have been in the repair shop...
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Citace - Steiner :

After the defeat on the Western Front and the destruction of all the Tigers at Fallais in June 1944...



Let me correct this statement: the German troops were retreating from the so-called Fallais pocket around August 20, 1944, although it is certainly true that some Tigers of this unit were lost and drive:-)
Filnorm
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On my way back from Croatia I went to Stronsdorf. I didn't have time to look for some memorials (on Sunday noon), but at least I took a picture of the church. So first from afar, from south to north and the surrounding area, looking in the direction (roughly) NE to NW. Flat, ideally "tank" terrain. Then the church up close (because of the windows, which were of interest here).
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Pohled na Stronsdorf od jihu

Pohled na Stronsdorf od jihu
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Přiblížení - kostel od jihu

Přiblížení - kostel od jihu
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - kostel od severu

kostel od severu
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Věž kostela od ZSZ

Věž kostela od ZSZ
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Mapka Stronsdorfu a okolí

Mapka Stronsdorfu a okolí
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A few views of the surroundings - I was pretty surprised that there is not a forest of wind turbines, as well as somewhat more to the south - along the Danube - in every village there's dozens of them, some standing, others are spinning....
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Myslel jsem, že Stronsdorf je malá díra, ale v r.1742 to bylo bohaté panství!

Myslel jsem, že Stronsdorf je malá díra, ale v r.1742 to bylo bohaté panství!
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Větrné elektrárny všude, kam se podíváš!

Větrné elektrárny všude, kam se podíváš!
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From Stronsdorf I took it via Laa to Vrbovec.
I got a contact to a memorialist I had promised for a long time, but my friend had no time, I did and so I found him.
He is a gentleman born 1920, during the war he worked in Vrbovec as a baker (I didn't investigate further, but I guess it wasn't Volksdeutsche, otherwise he would have been at the front). But he was not in Vrbovec for three months at the end of the war, he went home and came back only in June. He communicated in perfect Czech, so he was probably deployed in the bakery.
He showed me where, after his return, there were 12-15 fresh graves of German soldiers, marked with crosses and nameplates - probably the Heldenfriedhof we were looking for.
It's a triangular plot behind the north-east wall of the cemetery (it's shaped like a trapezoid).
The graves may have been dug up in the 1950s - in any case the crosses and nameplates were removed - and there is now a fenced triangular garden, full of apple trees. The name of the owner of the garden he did not know (or would not say).
I tried to get more details out of him, but he referred to the fact that he had not been in Vrbovec at the end of the war, and that, given his 87 years of age, he didn't remember much either. But he thinks that the name Kurt Knispel was not on the plates on the crosses.
Edit: based on Viktor's comment and expressing his legitimate concern, I have removed the overly precise information.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Ilustrační foto zahrady - líp by to šlo z letadla.

Ilustrační foto zahrady - líp by to šlo z letadla.
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Hello, for those interested in this topic I would like to mention that in HPM No. 10/2007 the third part of the article V. Schildberger st. about tigers on the Dyje.
Filip
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I report that I came across TWO photos of the destroyed kingtiger!!!!!!!!!!! in Moravia by a colleague while completing my upcoming book
I don't know more info yet (maybe Vranov??) but I report it anyway,...I think any new photo of this type is rare!!!!!!!!


As for the new article in HPM I have slight reservations about the photos!!! Not the ones from Znojmo 1945
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I just obediently report that the above-mentioned kingtiger was located, according to a witness, "on the road from Slavonice to Vranov nad Dyjí",...


PS: How realistic is the possible trip ("On the trail,...") sometime in the summer of the year(?), which was originally planned at the beginning of this thread?
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Doli


This will be one of the points of the January mini-exhibition in Košice.
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ah,..... knotted knee pattern 1945 ála Kurt,...hmmm so yeah,... (sorry for the OT)
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Citace - Panzer :

Doli
This will be one of the points of the January mini-exhibition in Košice.

Citace - Dolin404 :

a,.....smoked knee pattern 1945 ála Kurt,...hmmm so yeah,... (sorry for the OT)



Oh, shit, it's out... Shocked
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This topic is not my thing, so I'm just passively observing your inquiry. Are you familiar with this book? Maybe it would help you...



On Amazon for just 9.95 & euros.
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To Fantan: Even though delayed, I want to compliment you for the "exploratory" trip to Stronsdorf and Vrbovec. Smile Especially those photos from Vrbovce, where the German war graves should be, are very nice. Too bad we don't have a contact to the veterans association sPzAbt.503 Feldherrnhalle, maybe they would be interested in those photos.


To Panzer. I'm going to eastern Slovakia at the end of January, so I might run to Košice as well. Smile
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I haven't got my hands on HPM 10/2007 yet, so I have no idea if there is any new information about K.Knispel's last fight. I'm assuming that both the Stronsdorf version and the Vlasatica version are in play so far. While surfing the Russian internet, I managed to come across information that is not directly related to K.Knispel, but concerns Soviet units fighting in the Stronsdorf area at the end of April 1945.


I think I have finally managed to identify the superior unit whose tanks were deployed on 27-29 April 1945 in the vicinity of Stronsdorf. The Soviet 46th Army, which in early April 1945 had the 23rd Tank Corps and the 2nd Guards Mechanized Corps, was operating in this area. Although I have not been able to find out what the combat composition of this army was at the end of April 1945, I have found information that the 2nd Guards Mechanized Corps was detached to the 6th Guards Panzer Army. It was deployed in its composition from 16.4.1945 in the vicinity of Mistelbach and from 23.4.1915 in the vicinity of Brno. (Source: "Osvoboždeniye Yugo-Vastochnoi i Centraľnoi Jevropy vojskami 2-vo i 3-vo Ukrainskich frontov 1944-1945", Nauka Publishing House, Moscow 1970). It follows that only the 23rd Tank Corps, commanded by Lieutenant General Alexey Osipovich Akhmanov, remained in the 46th Army's line-up. Assuming that the 46th Army was not reinforced by another superior unit armed with tanks in the second half of April 1945, then it was the tanks of the 23rd Tank Corps that were deployed on 27-29 April 1945 in the vicinity of Stronsdorf.


The 23rd Tank Corps consisted of the following tank-armed units on 1.4.1945: the 3rd Tank Brigade (Lieutenant Colonel Ivan Dmitrievich Ivliev), the 39th Tank Brigade (Lieutenant Colonel Kirill Ignatievich Verona), the 135th Tank Brigade (Lieutenant Colonel Andrei Semyonovich Shevtsov), the 56th Motorized Artillery Brigade (Colonel Filipp Feodanovich Shtyanko). Although most sources state that K.Knispel encountered Soviet tanks in his last battle, we cannot completely rule out the possibility that it may have been Soviet self-propelled guns as well. Therefore, I include in this list the 1443rd Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment (Lieutenant Colonel Vasily Vasilievich Grebenik), which was also part of the Soviet 23rd Tank Corps as of April 1, 1945. Does anyone have more information about these military formations and commanders at the time of their deployment in the north-east of Austria in April and May 1945?
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While searching for information about military operations in northeastern Austria at the end of April 1945, I came across the memories of Soviet veterans who were members of units of the 23rd Panzer Corps. Although they don't talk about the fighting around Stronsdorf, their memories are nevertheless very interesting. From the point of view of an ordinary Soviet soldier, they give a very authentic picture of the war on the Eastern Front. This picture is not modified by party propaganda or censorship, because their memoirs have only been published in recent years in various Russian regional newspapers and magazines. As in the case of D.F. Loza, whose memoirs I placed in this thread earlier, I am now only giving a brief translation.
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Alexey Dmitriyevich Yermolenko, member of the 56th Motorized Artillery Brigade, 23rd Tank Corps


A.D. Yermolenko was born in 1926 in Rostov Oblast and the outbreak of the Soviet-German War caught him at the age of 15. At that time he was apprenticed as an electrical fitter in the first year of an industrial apprenticeship that operated at a metallurgical plant in the town of Krasnyj Sulin. The front passed through his place of residence several times, and the Rostov region was temporarily occupied by German troops between July 1942 and February 1943. After its liberation, the then 17-year-old A.D. Yermolenko was able to be mobilized into the Red Army.


At the beginning of 1944 he was drafted and after training he was assigned to the 56th Motorized Artillery Brigade of the 23rd Tank Corps, which operated in the formation of the 2nd Ukrainian Front. He took part in battles on the territory of Romania and Hungary, including intense battles around Lake Balaton. A.D. Yermolenko recalls that a difficult situation arose in this area when the enemy threw many divisions against the Soviet troops: "The fighting between Budapest and Lake Balaton was of a fierce character. The Germans were holding on to every defensive line with the last of their strength and did not want to retreat from their positions. The ground trembled from the explosions of shells, aerial bombs and mines. Only with great difficulty were we able to conduct aimed fire, but we tried. We infantrymen bore the brunt of the fighting and had to endure the enemy's blows. I remember that the battlefields were covered with the bodies of the fallen. In my company only two of us survived - me and a young lieutenant".

For his deployment in Hungary, A.D. Jermolenko was awarded the medal "For Courage". Subsequently, he took part in the fighting around the Austrian capital Vienna. Near the end of the war he suffered a severe head wound. After his recovery he was demobilized, but for a short time he still remained working in a military hospital as an electrical fitter. He then returned home to the Rostov region and from there went to study in the city of Borisoglebsk. He trained as an electrician and moved to the Orlov region in 1949. There he has already settled permanently and is now a pensioner in the local association of former employees of the power plant "Oryolenergo".
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Alexey Filippovich Kashtanov, member of the 3rd Tank Brigade, 23rd Tank Corps


A.F.Kashtanov was born in 1926 in the Moscow region and the outbreak of the Soviet-German War caught him at the age of 15. Already in October 1941 he was called up by the local military administration for service in the so-called "labor front". He initially assumed that this was a mistake and sent back his draft card with a note that he was still only an 8th grade primary school pupil. This did not help, however, and when he returned from school a few days later he saw two military horses in front of his house. The local military administration sent two soldiers after A.F. Kaštanov, but in the end his father brought him to the conscription the next day. The veteran commented laconically, "It was wartime and nobody asked how old I was".


A.F. Kastanov and several hundred of his peers were sent to build anti-tank trenches and sinkholes on the outskirts of the small town of Aprelevka in the Moscow region: "The work was hellish - during the hard frosts we were cutting down trees and digging in the frozen ground. We were equipped only with shovels, picks and wheelbarrows. Many of my friends' hands froze. But Moscow was behind us and there was nowhere to retreat to." During 1942 he was deployed in several areas as part of the "labour front" and was mobilised into the Red Army at the age of 17. In 1943 he was assigned to the 9th Tank Training Regiment in the city of Vladimir. After several months of training, he was posted to the 2nd Ukrainian Front as a driver-mechanic in the summer of 1944. Together with a tank crew composed of "rookies" as young as himself, he was assigned to the 23rd Tank Corps.


With this corps, his T-34 tank (number 146) crossed Romania and Hungary from August to December 1944, all the way to Budapest. In the Hungarian capital, A.F. Kashtanov experienced some of the heaviest fighting: 'A group of machine gunners was assigned to each tank to cover it from the armoured fist shooters. We fought practically blind, and the direction of the road as well as the targets of fire were shown to us by the machine-gunners. We also did not uncover the engine compartment louvres, so that shrapnel would not damage the engine or gearbox". During the fighting in and around Budapest, A.F. Kastanov was seriously wounded in the head: 'I still remember how I opened the top hatch and ejected for a while. After that, nothing - just black darkness. Later I learned that the moment I ejected, an artillery shell hit the turret of our tank. At the hospital they found out that I had been saved by my tank hood - the shell shrapnel had got stuck in its rubber protector on the top of my head. To this day, I still have a scar on my head left from that kiss of death." After the capture of Budapest and after the completion of the Balaton Operation, A.F.Kaštan was awarded his first decoration - the medal "For Courage". At the end of March 1945, only 5 to 7 tanks remained in each of the brigades of the 23rd Tank Corps. For this reason, the 3rd Tank Brigade was temporarily merged with the 39th Tank Brigade.


The end of the war found A.F.Kaštanov on the territory of Czechoslovakia, only a few kilometres from Prague. However, this did not mean the end of his combat deployment, as he was transferred to the Lvov area along with several hundred of his comrades. There, during the second half of 1945, he took part in actions against Ukrainian anti-communist partisans: "Once we surrounded a cottage in which the Banderovtsy were hiding. After a long firefight, the fire from the windows stopped. We assumed that the Banderovtsy had been liquidated and stormed inside. However, we did not find anyone in the hut. But we discovered a tunnel that led to the next cottage. I wanted to crawl through it, but my comrades stopped me. First we lowered a tank suit filled with straw into the tunnel. Immediately it was shot through with a burst from a submachine gun. We therefore smoked out the Banderovians with smoke bombs".


A.F. Kashtanov remained in the Soviet army after the war and was released into civilian life in 1961 with the rank of lieutenant colonel. He worked in the town of Zhdanov (now Mariupol, Ukraine) until 1971 and retired at the age of 55. He then moved to Vladivostok, where he continued to work part-time alongside his pension until 1997. In November 2004, he received an invitation from the local military administration to a ceremony to receive military decorations which had been awarded as early as 1945 but have only found their recipients today. A.F.Kastanov listened to a quote from a contemporary document signed on 14.4.1945 by the commander of the 3rd Tank Brigade, Lieutenant Colonel Ivan Dmitrievich Ivliev. For his participation in the fighting for Vienna he was awarded the Order of the Red Star, which he received 59 years after the end of the war.


On this occasion, A.F. Kastanov shared with local journalists his everyday problems: "In 2001, the consequences of old war injuries became apparent and my legs stopped serving me. It was only with the last of my strength that I was able to pass all the examinations and the assessment procedure before the medical commission. There they told me that I would only be using the crutches temporarily and therefore I was not entitled to a car. I was told that nowadays even children use crutches... While defending my homeland, I was burned twice in a tank that was hit, I drowned in it twice and had all my teeth knocked out. My legs stopped working because I dislocated both knees when I fell out of a tank during the war. The consequences of this injury became apparent in my old age. My only regret today is that I did not keep the medical reports of my injuries that were issued to me after I was treated and cured in the infirmaries. During the war I did not think about such "little things", at that time the most important thing was to achieve victory. And now, without these medical reports, my injuries cannot be taken into account or counted. I'll tell you honestly what I think. We veterans are only remembered once a year - on May 9, Victory Day. The government agencies will send us a postcard and that's it."
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Yekaterina Sidorovna Panchenko, a member of the 39th Tank Brigade, 23rd Tank Corps


Katya Panchenko was born in Artyomovka in the Donetsk region in eastern Ukraine (most likely in 1922). She studied at the Konstantinovsky medical school and coincidentally took her last exam on 22 June 1941. The very next day after the exam she left for the front as a Red Army nurse. She was assigned to the 52nd Independent Railway Battalion, whose task was to repair damaged railway lines. J.S.Panchenko recalls this early stage of the war: "Very often, while repairing railway lines, we were exposed to aerial bombardment and sometimes artillery shelling. We had a lot of wounded and I, as a nurse, tried to save the lives of our soldiers". In the autumn of 1941 at the German front line breakthrough, the 52nd Independent Railway Battalion was broken up and J.S. Panchenko was caught in a cauldron surrounded by German troops. She managed to evade capture and with great difficulty made her way to her native Artyomovka, which was already occupied by the Germans at that time.


She survived at home in Artyomovka for almost two years. Probably one of her neighbours turned her in to the local police because she had served in the Red Army. There they interrogated her several times because they suspected her of working for Soviet intelligence and tried to get her to confess by beating her. She was protected from further interrogations by her acquaintance Fyodor, who served in the police. He interceded on her behalf with the German liaison officer and from then on the local police gave her a break. Fyodor also saved her from forced labor in Germany when he warned Katya's mother that there would be a raid on young people in Artyomovka. Later it turned out that Fyodor had connections with the partisans.


At the beginning of September 1943, the front approached Artyomovka, and J.S. Panchenko recalls the liberation of his native village this way: 'At dawn, a T-34 tank with a red star on its turret stopped next to our house. I approached its commander, who had the rank of lieutenant. I begged him to assign me to his unit. I convinced him that I would be useful because I was a nurse who already had frontline experience from 1941." This lieutenant was Vasily Baryshev, a reconnaissance commander in the 135th Tank Brigade of the 23rd Tank Corps. His tankers took Katya as a guide, showing them the way to Krasnoarmeysk. Subsequently, Y.S. Panchenko was officially assigned as a medic to the 39th Tank Brigade of the same corps.


Immediately in September 1943, the 39th Tank Brigade got into heavy fighting in the Dnepropetrovsk area around the small town of Chaplino and near the villages of Mezevuya and Sinelnikovo. In this section the Germans mined some parts of the terrain and camouflaged the positions of the anti-tank artillery, which fired from ambush. J.S.Panchenko recalls, "Many of our tanks were hit and burned. In order to rescue the wounded, I had to run under enemy fire to the burning T-34s and in the fire and smoke pull the tankers out of them. I then carried the wounded on my back to a safer place. Once I rescued the tank commander from a burning tank, who had both legs blown out. Apart from him, none of the tank crew survived the hit. As soon as I crawled a little further, dragging the wounded commander behind me, the burning tank exploded."


Katya regularly saw Lieutenant V. Baryshev in rare moments of frontline peace. It was this tank driver whom she approached at the liberation of her native Artyomovka with a request to join the army. His friend Vasily Pachomov also competed for her favour, but Katya preferred Vasily Baryshev. In one battle, V. Pachomov was mortally wounded, and before he died he begged his friend to take good care of Katya. The death of a mutual friend brought them both even closer together. At the turn of 1943/1944, the 39th Tank Brigade again got into heavy fighting near Zaporozhye. Its formations were caught in a trap set by the enemy and many tanks were destroyed while many tankers were killed. J.S.Panchenko was wounded in this battle, but returned to her unit after being cured.


During 1944, J.S.Panchenko, together with the 23rd Panzer Corps, advanced further west through the territory of Ukraine, Moldova, Romania and Hungary. In 1945, she advanced through Hungary into Austria and ended the war in Czechoslovakia. During her combat deployment, she was awarded the Order of the Red Star, the Order of the Great Patriotic War and several medals. Immediately after the end of the war, Katya left the army and married Vasily Baryshev. They moved to her native region in the east of Ukraine, where her husband worked as director of the sovkhoz and she as director of a kindergarten.
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Anatoly Savelievich Davydov, a member of the 39th Tank Brigade, 23rd Tank Corps


A.S. Davydov was born in 1922 in the Kharkov region and as a 16 year old member of the Komsomol he was sent on a labour deployment. From 1938 he worked as a railwayman in the Donbass in eastern Ukraine and was accepted as a member of the Communist Party at the age of 18. As a volunteer, he joined the Red Army in 1940 and was sent to a training school operating under the 21st Tank Regiment. Subsequently, he transferred to the military-political branch of the Red Army and underwent training for the post of politruka. He reached the front in the summer of 1942 during the defensive battles in front of Stalingrad: "The fiery days and nights of Stalingrad have always remained in my memory. The leaden rain and the flames of the fires were the background for both the sad retreats and the joyful victories". A.S. Davydov was then serving as a tank company's politruk and after the liquidation of the Stalingrad cauldron he was decorated with the Order of the Red Star in Beketovka in early 1943.


Subsequently, he operated on the front line near the North Donets River, where his 39th Tank Brigade took part in heavy fighting in the summer of 1943. It then advanced further west, where A.S. Davydov, as commissar of a tank battalion, distinguished himself on 10.9.1943. During the liberation of Chaplino in the Dnepropetrovsk region, his tank was the first of the entire brigade to penetrate the town. However, a dangerous situation arose during the further advance: 'As a result of an attack by neighbouring units, one German tank division began a retreat in the direction of our positions. The Germans cut off the 39th Panzer Brigade from the other units of our 23rd Panzer Corps. Under these conditions we took up a circular defense with our tanks and for two days we did not allow the enemy to overrun our positions. It was only at the end of the second day that the main forces of the 23rd Tank Corps broke through to us, and together with them we resumed the advance on Zaporozhye." For this fight A.S.Davydov together with his battalion commander Major N.P.Goponenko was decorated with the second order of the "Red Star".


A.S.Davydov's front line journey continued through Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Hungary and Austria to Czechoslovakia. During these battles he received two more decorations - the Order of the "Great Patriotic War" of the 1st and 2nd degree. The end of the war found him in front of Prague, which he entered on 9.5.1945. He continued to serve in the Soviet army in peacetime, graduating from the V.I. Lenin Military-Political Academy in 1950 and defending his candidate's dissertation at the academy in 1955. He went on to serve as chief of the political section of a tank division and for the last 12 years of his career worked as head of the Department of the History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union at the Rostov Military Institute of Rocket Troops. According to the recollections of his former colleagues from this period, "A.S. Davydov was actively engaged in party and political work, military-patriotic education of new officers, agitation activities and, last but not least, heroic-patriotic education of the youth".


A.S. Davydov reached the rank of colonel and also devoted himself to military history. He became a Candidate of Historical Sciences, received the academic title of Associate Professor and served as a member-describer of the Academy of Military Historical Sciences of the Soviet Union. He wrote 3 monographs, 6 textbooks and more than 100 publications and brochures. He has published more than 200 articles in the periodical press. He died in 2000 at the age of 78.
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Anatoly Fyodorovich Ryzhov, a member of one of the tank brigades of the 23rd Tank Corps


A.F. Ryzhov was born in 1925 in the village of Golovenovo in the Yaroslavl region in the center of the European part of Russia. His father, Fyodor Pavlovich Ryzhov, was chairman of the local kolkhoz and later worked in a forestry plant. Together with his wife Natalia Aleksandrovna Ryzhova they had 8 children, of whom Anatoly was the eldest. He was 15 years old at the outbreak of the Soviet-German War in June 1941, and after his father was mobilized into the Red Army, he had to take care of the entire household and his younger siblings. "When my father left for the front, my mother was in the maternity ward and came back with the twins - Vladimir and Vera. Without my father it was practically impossible to feed such a large family, so my mother went to my father's workplace with a request to increase the food ration. From there she was sent away with the reply that her food ration would only be increased if she came to work in her husband's place... Those were really raw times". Anatoly tried to help his mother and went on foot all over the Yaroslavl region to offer in exchange for food all the valuable things that belonged to his family.


In 1942, at the age of 16, A.F. Ryzhov was drafted to deploy as part of the so-called "labour front". He was sent to Koptsevo in the Moscow region, where he worked in the forest to prepare wood fuel for residential houses in Moscow. When his father worked in the forestry plant, he taught Anatoly how to use a saw and an axe. This helped him a lot to cope with the demanding daily standard of 5 cubic meters of wood. He continued this hard work in 1943 in Balakirev, but during his absence, misfortune struck the family and two of his younger siblings died due to lack of food and illness.


In 1943, A.F. Ryzhov, as a member of the Komsomol, together with his peers, fulfilled the instruction of their party leader and wrote an application for voluntary enlistment in the Red Army. At the age of 17 he was conscripted to the 49th Rifle Training Regiment in Gorochov: "In the training camp we lived in earthbags and there was no drinking water source nearby. We were always thirsty and in winter we ate snow. We ate poorly and were fed only fish and cabbage. In short, they didn't have much fun with us young conscripts. But then that changed and we were transferred to the so-called dietary standard number 9. This was a beefed up food ration that included such luxuries as tea, albeit without sugar. As a result, we recovered and our bodies got stronger. Later the training camp was visited by representatives of the 9th Tank Training Regiment from the city of Vladimir. They were recruiting and many of us applied to join the tankers. I have no idea what criteria they used to select, but I was among those they took with them to Vladimir."


From the spring of 1944, A.F. Ryzhov spent 5 months in training, preparing for the position of tank gunner/shooter. At the end of the summer of 1944 he was sent to the town of Gorky to the "Red Sormovo" plant, where the newly formed tank crews were taking over the equipment. There Anatoly met his father, of whom the family had no news for a long time: 'One evening they took us to the bath and I stood at the end of the line. At the front someone shouted a question that who would go last. The voice seemed familiar, so I walked to the front and found that the question was shouted by my own father! He had served manning a mortar since the beginning of the war and was later badly wounded. According to the medical commission's decision, he was no longer fit for further service at the front and was therefore posted to Gorky as a guard at the local tank factory. That's where we eventually met. I introduced my father to my tank crew and to its commander, Misheck. Dad asked him to keep an eye on me, as Misecek already had frontline experience."


After taking delivery of the new T-34 tanks, A.F. Ryzhov and his comrades were assigned to the 23rd Tank Corps, whose rear detachment was stationed in Kishinev, Moldova, in September 1944. In one of the tank brigades of this corps he advanced through Romania to Hungary and gained his first combat experience. The heaviest fighting came in early 1945 southwest of Budapest. The 23rd Tank Corps was deployed against German troops attempting to unblock a German-Hungarian garrison defending besieged Budapest. These battles are remembered by A.F.Ryzhov as follows: "It was a gloomy grey day and it was snowing. Then our tanks collided head-on with the German tanks in a terrible armor-on-armor, gun-on-gun encounter. Both sides fought furiously and the tankers burned in their stricken machines. Our corps inflicted heavy casualties on the enemy and held its defensive line, but we lost about 100 tanks. I fired shell after shell after shell against the German tanks until our T-34 got hit. The loader was killed instantly and the tank started to burn. I had to wait a while for the tank commander to get out of the turret and only then could I leave the burning machine. In that time the fire and smoke had so smelled me that I looked like a complete black man. When I got out of the tank, there was an explosion of ammunition and it tore our machine apart like a shell. The commander of the tank, Mishecek, was burned and taken to the infirmary. I also suffered an injury and Misecek persuaded me to be taken away with him. But I decided to stay with my comrades at my unit and undergo treatment in field conditions. After the treatment, I returned to our brigade's position, where they were burying the fallen. Nikolai Terentyev saw me and could not believe his eyes. He asked in astonishment if it was really me and pointed to the sheet in which, according to his words, my body was supposed to be. I pulled back the sheet and saw the charred torso of a legless and armless body. I said that it must be our loader Sasha, who had been killed when the tank hit him and his body remained in the burning machine until the ammunition exploded."


For the fighting around Budapest, A.F. Ryzhov was awarded the medal "For Courage". His 23rd Tank Corps advanced further west and in April 1945 penetrated into Austria, where it took part in the fighting around Vienna. The end of the war found A.F. Ryzhov on the territory of Czechoslovakia, but the fighting was not over for him. On May 10, 1945, an order came to load all the tankers of his brigade onto trucks and throw them in the role of infantrymen to fight against the units of the Russian Liberation Army of General Vlasov, which were fighting their way westward into the American zone.


A.F. Ryzhov remained in the Soviet Army until 1947 and then studied to be an engineer in the Kalinin region until 1951. He found work in a textile-gallantry plant in his native Yaroslavl oblast. Later he worked in an engineering plant in Balakirev, the town where he worked in 1943 as part of the so-called "labour front".
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I think that a very interesting book and source of information on this topic (Knispel/FHH) will be the work of colleagues Milos Ludvik and Vítěslav Vitek - TANKY NA DYJI 1945 (Club hist.vojenství Brno),...whose cover I have already had the honor to see,.....i though there is supposedly another different version,.....


From the content :
-Last victorious battle of Pz.K FHH - Battle on Hron
-Crisis at Lanzhota
-Fight for Diesel - Deployment of 25.Pz.D and KG SS Trabant
-deployment of 6.GTA
-Battle of Vlastice
-Retreat,.........
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As far as I know, "Tanks on the Dyje" is the name of a series of articles (the 3rd part was published in HPM 10/07) published by Vlastimil Schildberger Sr. from the Moravian Museum in Brno. If someone has appropriated this name of his (and it is not a collective of authors with his participation), then it seems to me rather strange and misleading.
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Gentlemen,
I cannot agree with the assessment of my colleague Fantan, because in the monthly magazine History and Plastic Modelling three studies by several authors were published under the common title: Tanks on the Dyje
- in 2006, No. 2, on pages 22-31, first part, by Miloš Ludvík
- in volume 2006, no. 3, on pages 29-35, part two, authors: Miloš Ludvík, Pavel Nejedlý and Jiří Špinar
- in the 2007 edition, No. 10, on pages 38-41 there is a third article with the same title, by Vlastimil Schildberger Sr.


The book: Tanks on the Dyje 1945, by Miloš Ludvík and Vítězslav Vitek, is in essence an extension of the above two-part study.


Messrs Ludvík, Špinar and Vitek are full members of the Historical Military Club. I know nothing about Mr. Nejedlý. Mr. Vlastimil Schildberger Sr. is retired and his son works in the Moravian Museum.


P. S.
Today we received a reply from Miloš Ludvík, who wrote, among other things: "... well, you know, the "Tamtam news" is miles ahead of reality... Surprised))) However, it is true that the book is being worked on semi-intensively and the manuscript-type will be ready in the spring..."
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Citace - Fantan :

As far as I know, "Tanks on the Dyje" is the name of a series of articles (the 3rd part was published in HPM 10/07) published by Vlastimil Schildberger Sr. from the Moravian Museum in Brno. If someone has appropriated this title (and it is not a collective of authors with his participation), then it seems rather strange and misleading to me.



Yeah yeah it's as Jirka writes, the "copyright" is held by Miloš and Mr.Vitek and the first two parts were published in HPM by Miloš and not by Mr.Schilbderger.......
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I am sending a transcript of part of the chronicle of sPzAbt 503 by Alfred Rubbel, which he published in 1990 in his own edition of 250 copies for veterans and family members of sPzAbt 503 members:


Urbau - Bestattungsort des erfolgreichsten Richtschützen der PzTruppe
Fw Kurt Knispel, 1/503, der bei Stronsdorf am 29.4.45 verwundet
wurde und im HVP Urbau starb. Er wurde dort auf dem Gemeindefriedhof
beigesetzt. Wir sind bemüht mit Hilfe Österreichischer
Bundesheerangehöriger seine Grabstelle zu finden.


Urbau - burial place of the successful PzTruppe Fw Kurt Knispel, 1/503,
who was wounded at Stronsdorf on 29.4.45 and died at HVP Urbau.
He was buried there in the municipal cemetery.
We are trying to find his grave with the help of the Austrian ?Bundesheerangehöriger?.


1. determines the place of his last battle 29.4.45 at Stronsdorf
2. he was transported and died at the main dressing station in Urbau
3. he was buried in the MUNICIPAL CEMETERY
4. they are trying to find the grave with the help of the Austrian Bundesheerangehöriger (why, if Urbau is not in Austria ???)


About Alfred Rubbel I know from another source that he personally attended the funeral of K.Knispel.
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?Bundesheerangehöriger? is simply and usually a member of the federal army (here probably the Austrian army). Bundesheer is the Austrian army and angehöriger is a member or member (of an organisation). Why members of the Austrian army are invited to help is indeed a question, but the reason may be quite simple, it may be a unit that is close to the border and they simply have it much closer than some old guy living in Germany. Then, quite logically, they will contact (perhaps through an organization) a nearby unit and ask them if they could go to the Czech Republic and see what the place looks like today. If he was buried in the municipal cemetery, it should be in the parish chronicle and then in the cemetery records (these were kept meticulously because of the time and place of the burials). We used to look for Allied pilots in a similar way, the cemetery records were very accurate and carefully kept. The parish chronicles were once withdrawn and collected in an archive (I think in Trebon) but might be back today, if of course the parish still exists.
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I would rely on the parish chronicles about as much as I would on the memoirs. At the end of April/Quarter they had other things to do, not to keep accurate entries in the chronicle, and then they wrote additional letters. And in the liberated atmosphere of Quarter 45, there was probably no interest in describing the graves of "Hitler's throats". But this is just my opinion.
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So it's obvious that you have never seen such a thing, chronicles were kept even in this time (and the idea from history about "liberation atmosphere" is nonsense, the crossing of the front and the subsequent things were in a matter of days and then life went quite normally) As for the cemetery records (i.e. grave sites) so they were kept carefully and here it was recorded even under the Germans, not sometime after. Moreover, they also recorded, for example, "American air terrorists" which was the same thing at the time. The parish priests and cemetery caretakers didn't concern themselves much with such things as politics, and for the gravedigger it's important that he knows where someone is buried and especially when (if you've ever seen an open grave at least in photos, you can guess why) whether it was a German or a Russian or a local is the least important thing. If he was buried in the local cemetery it will be 99% recorded in the documentation (even if as a nameless burial, but the date should be enough) the percentage could be if something unusual happened that prevented the recording (like the village being displaced, etc. Otherwise, for example, when we searched for US pilot Preddy there was not only a record of the burial, but also of the exhumation and even the number of his grave in France (apparently those who came for him already knew him). Moreover, unlike the mumbo-jumbo of the memoirists (classic long-hair talk) there was a real description of the whole thing, the pilot was found dead near the plane, apparently ejected on impact. Also a description of his transfer and burial (no ceremony). And this was just a chronicle that the parish priest kept for himself, not an official parish chronicle, as well as there was an entry in the cemetery book where he was buried (it was one of the graves in a corner near the church because that's where those who were destitute were put, and again a description of the exhumation including the name of the officer who led the US group that dealt with it. It's just that these books are pretty reliable, they were kept at the time and not like the "memoirs" that have been blathering on for years and have little to do with reality.
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I don't think so. From the material I've looked at on the subject, the fallen were provisionally buried where they fell - mostly in shell holes. Those who died in a dressing station or infirmary were buried in a military grave - these burial sites were usually set up behind the outer wall of the local cemetery. The grounds of the civil cemetery were rarely used.
This corresponds with what was confirmed to me by a witness in Vrbovec - there were also (he arrived there in mid-May 1945) about 12-15 graves with wooden crosses behind the (SSV) wall of the local cemetery. Now there is a fruit garden with trees about 20 years old.
It is true, however, that there should be a record of the disposal of such a burial ground in the parish and village chronicle (or elsewhere). That's what the law is for - it has been in force for a long time after various amendments.
I don't have a very high opinion of the official records of the German association - it seems that the dislocation of a death was defined by the location of the unit command reporting the death.
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I can think of one more reason to ask the Bundesheer for help, if the village was predominantly German and the inhabitants were displaced, it could be just a matter of finding memorials and possibly documents they took with them.
Otherwise, like Fantan, I've encountered virtually no burials in the cemetery as far as it went and burials in the combat zone. Even when, for example, soldiers died in our country after being wounded in a military hospital they were buried in a common grave (including at least one downed pilot - i.e. an enemy) outside a civilian cemetery. In fact, I found one such grave recently at the crossroads behind J. Hradec. If there was a lazarette somewhere for a long time usually the dead were buried near it, and today there are (sometimes) newly improved cemeteries. The question is after what time the person in question wrote it and on what basis, if the information is written down, for example, after 30 years its credibility is quite poor. Diary entries from the time when "it happened" are usually much more credible (the writer usually doesn't consider it something remarkable and writes about it rather in the margin) Municipal and other chronicles are quite ideal and probably the best source (unfortunately not applicable here) are records of gendarmerie stations, they were kept very carefully and especially professionally.
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Hmm, so I have two things, although not so on topic about KK,......
1 - in our country the fallen Germans were buried in the official cemetery from 7.4.1945 (the first dead from the column hit behind the village), until 13.4.1945. Supported by testimony and excavations of the VDK in 2004(? I guess,...+ - )


2 - I managed to find another Tiger II tank in a colleague's album!!! According to my colleague, I don't know where it was "parked".
He just wrote to me about it :
".... I got it from my grandfather and he served in Jaroměř near Brno as a gendarme..."
Where is/was Jaroměř u Brna????
I think it's a machine like the one in the first photo... but it's from Benesov nad Cerna
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I THINK I'LL LEARN SOMETHING TOMORROW IN ZNOJMO
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I read that after Skoda fell he moved to his tank and it was hit so that the ammunition in the tank exploded. Panzer archiv.de
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to lubakaspar


If you can insert a specific link to the topic mentioned. Although I rather doubt the realism of this version, because if the ammunition exploded there wouldn't be much left of Knispel to bury.
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School photo from 1934, Salisfeld (Salisov), district Freiwaldau (Jeseník), Kurt on the left.
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what tank number did Skoda have?
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Dolin: I read the article last week, much of the text including photos is copied from this discussion Wink
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I intervened moderatorially and moved the part of the discussion that was off-topic (and not to inflame passions) out of reach of ordinary users.
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I'll just pull up.....and add a link to another snippet about the Tiger II


www.detektorweb.cz
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I strongly apologize for the previous link - after further information from the finder (weight 6kg and approx. 45cm length) this is in no way an article from a Tiger II tank. But it is another rather very rare "bird" and it is sWs alias Schwerer Wehrmachtsschlepper SWS.
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In the discussion under the article about the memorials in Znojmo on DW www.detektorweb.cz
there's a reference to the Vrbovec Chronicle. Although I doubt that there will be anything there...


Citation :


... There's a rumor similar to yours. The chronicle of the village of Vrbovec describes the liberation of the largest wine cellar in the village, belonging to a German woman named Hofmann,...



I'm just adding...
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I received the attached photo below also with the information that it is one of 17 T-34 tanks that were destroyed on 21.04.1945 in a battle with "Konigstigers" sPzabt.503. This wreck is said to be near the Czech-Austrian border. Has anyone seen this photo and could identify the link from where it was downloaded? I wonder if this is indeed a tank destroyed in the area where Knispel's unit was operating in late April 1945.
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No zkus www.dolin.estranky.cz fotka stejného vraku je dole na té stránce Smile
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THE WRECK OF THE T-34/85 IS FROM HRABĚTICE (BORDER WITH AUSTRIA) TODAY IT IS NO LONGER THERE. IN A PRIVATE GALLERY AT THE WAR, THE GLAGAČKA ALSO HAS IT
This tank (T-34/85) was supposedly destroyed by a returning German machine .... Unfortunately for the Germans, a German lieutenant (killed) and major (badly wounded) were just test driving it as a mobile machine captured after the battle. After the "discovery" of the tank in 2000 and a TV report (the wreck was still in relatively good condition), it was cut up over the years,......... and taken to the scrap yard in 2007. In other words - you won't see it again. Let's hope it was taken by a collector...Sad


I hope you don't mind the link to Glagacko's gallery
https://galerie.valka.cz/showgallery.php/cat/191
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Citace - Viktor :

The attached photo below ...... in which Knispel's unit operated at the end of April 1945.



No/directly (???) this is confirmed by the book forum.valka.cz on page 425. Although at least I doubt that in 1995 there was a Tiger II somewhere in Austria which is visible in the photo!!


Currently the wreck of T-34/85 is in this state : www.detektorweb.cz Sad Sad
Guys let's save it somehow!!!!!!!!!!! Confused
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - The Combat History of German Tiger Tank Battalion 503 in World War II

The Combat History of German Tiger Tank Battalion 503 in World War II
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As to the person KK is in the above work pretty good chaos!!!!!!!!
(I'll Fw Skodu - both kind of related)

Page 369 - In the memories of the Dienst von Korbera is unfortunately stated only that both KK and I have fallen in battles between 27-30.April. However, as writes - "...several enemy attack in front of us at Wostitz"

Page 432 - Fw.Knispel killed 29.april 1945 - buried in Urbau/Znaim listed as killed in 1 company (1rd company). WHAT's striking is that the table is listed as BRUUN AREA!!! - I assume that this is more of the "ignorance map" from the authors...
After it is recognized as fallen just StabFw. Schimdt. Fell at/in? Zistersdorf-in (the date is only May 1945 and is buried in Zistersdorf. Which is pretty interesting!

Page 436 - Fw.I killed 30.april 1945, Buried at Wostiz. Listed as killed in 3 company (3rd company)



(data and descriptions I will mention as it is written in the book).
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Combat History of German Tiger Tank Battalion 503 in World War II

Combat History of German Tiger Tank Battalion 503 in World War II
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Psychologically and mentally couldn't I went to Hrabětic wreck T-34 piccie. Not far away from the wreckage of the T-34/85 is the torso of a Su100 (Su85 late ?)...




It is interesting that the veterans of 503.sPz Abt are with her but as for the tank ruined their technique..
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The rake tank was cut up and taken to the scrap yard by local footballers...
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Folks, the newcomer is a whole forum very interesting reading... and not only that. I hope I'm not out of place, or how I learned OT if I dare to write a comment to hand malovanému map chronicles of Gaubitsch - although apparently with the theme of saving the remains of the KK probably not directly related - and not only this comment, but even otherwise, to engage in a discussion.

In the chronicle of the town of Laa an der Thaya is, inter alia, stated the following: "21. April 1945 was dry and very warm Saturday. But hardly anyone had the time or the taste of this fine day take advantage of, because in the vicinity were the most cruel, bloody fight. Over the city took place dogfights, which interfered with the German fighters taking off from the field to the airport in Ungerndorfu. The city was constantly being shelled with artillery shells from tanks and heavy guns. People have spent these days almost continuously in the cellars.
The Russian tanks that rolled into Ungerndorfu, were destroyed by bazookas. The majority of tanks were destroyed in the fighting in the village between the school and the church, other then between the municipality and Mayerhofem.Ungerndorf was after these battles unrecognizable devastated, including the church. In the middle of the village stood a burning tank, in the direction from the intersection to the cellars lay 15 dead Russians. On the main road cost five destroyed T-34, the other three on the western edge of the village and at the Mayerhofu again five charred tanks."

The 5 + 3 + 5 in the last sentence, clearly may explain the note in the upper part of the map - 5 T34, ~ 3 T34, etc.

And more to the topic of the death of KK: in one of the zahraničničních discussions about that however you probably know, occurs the following comment: "Yes, we know where he died and we know that he was hurted seriously and he died because of lack of cares." (ie: yes, we know where he died, he was badly injured and he died due to inadequate care).

And still a question - I didn't see a mention of the fate of the other members of the crews of H. Damage and To. Knispela... there is no way through here...?.
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As the backbone thread about KK and 503 bring these two lines with interesting questions (to the topic).
Tower tank number KK :
forum.valka.cz

Tank Alfred Rubbela :
forum.valka.cz


Managed to find me interesting artifacts from the Tiger II from Slovakia (the location exactly nuvedu until he's home everything at 100%Very Happy)
All the trimmings in about two hours jogging around the village:
1 x side fender (about the back part - due to the shape) - there are interesting contentions (stitches)
1 x cover cap bearing idler pulley
1 x article (2 more will be) to him for free so 30kg of concrete from which I had to cut......
1 x the commander's hatch
1 x photo (the lord doesn't want him to "let go")


Hatch from the conning turrets for the Tiger II (the detail is probably W.Nrko...??)







"Krytečka" on the rear idler wheel - center





Fender




Articles belts - the closer without guide teeth







After cleaning a bit of concrete Confused



, And the result compared with article T-34/85 from Lanžhot - Former adversaries-again!!









Well and if you are anyone know what this is??? Help can be that it's 100% of the Lanžhot and there were KO types of the Panzer IV J, T-34, Valentine, Su-76, Stuart. The Panther and Tiger II....... :- Neutral: oops:

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Just a heretical question. I've stumbled upon a mystery that I find quite unsolvable..... I apologize to those in the know, but I haven't heard anything about it and I don't really understand it.


How did K.Knispel have admitted "kills" as a tank gunner and maybe Wittmann and the other x dozen as commanders????????? on what principle did it work? Like the kills in the SS-Oscha. B.Wooll (http://panzer4520.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/1300) and SS-Hastuf. Michael Wittmann? If Bobby was his gunner so what? They both got credited? As I understand that the experience of the commander was taken into account and thus his successes were a reflection of the crew's chemistry,...but Knispel probably didn't have an idiot commander either, since he shot him 126 x (I think) "center"......?? So it would belong to someone from the 1st/503 who commanded K.Knispel. At one time he was commanded by for example Oberfeldwebel Hans Fendesack (killed 16.08.1944 in France) and to add to that I found somewhere on the net that he had 16 kills - as a tank commander - so they are Knispel's???????


Can anyone give anything on this? ...........if possible constructive.... Embarassed
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I'm going crazy!!!! A certain Uffz. of the 3rd/503 had May 1944 to his credit as a gunner 103 notches.....no Knispel a very similar number!!! So there were other good shooters like Knispel!!!


Otherwise, I'm reading the combat diary of a gentleman from the 1st/503 (he was in a tank, not "just" in a unit) and it details, day by day what happened, names, tanks, kills,.....until 27.4.45...and then it goes on from there on 1.5.45.


..THEY (the survivors of 503) DID NOT CALL EMBARGO OR WHATEVER FOR THAT FINAL FIGHT!!! SadSad
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Citace - Dolin404 :

Just a heretical question. I've stumbled upon a mystery that is quite unsolvable for me..... Apologies to those in the know, but I haven't heard anything about it and don't really understand it...


How did K.Knispel have admitted "kills" as a tank gunner and maybe Wittmann and the other x dozen as commanders????????? on what principle did it work? Like how it is with kills in SS-Oscha. B.Wooll (http://panzer4520.yuku.com/forum/viewtopic/id/1300) and SS-Hastuf. Michael Wittmann? If Bobby was his gunner so what? They both got credited? As I understand that the experience of the commander was taken into account and thus his successes were a reflection of the crew's cohesion,...but Knispel probably didn't have an idiot commander either, since he shot him 126 x (I think) "center"......?? So it would belong to someone from 1st/503 who commanded K.Knispel. For example Oberfeldwebel Hans Fendesack (killed 16.08.1944 in France) commanded him at one time and I found somewhere on the net that he had 16 kills - as a tank commander - so they are Knispel's???????


Can anyone give anything on this? ...........preferably constructive.... Embarassed



The subject of German "tank experts" is not nearly as well researched as the subject of "fighter experts", for example, so I can't recommend any specialized book on the question of recognizing "kills". I base my answer on a few memoirs by German tankers and a couple of historical and journalistic books. (I consider the memoirs of Otto Carius, who was the second most successful "tank expert" after Kurt Knispel and survived the war, to be a good source).


As for the German system of recognizing "kills" and honoring tankers, tank commanders were primarily honored. The official list of tanks destroyed was always tied to their name, and they received the highest honors as well. As for tank gunners, their list of "kills" was de facto unofficial and their honors followed only after their tank commander was honored. It was not always the case, as in the case of Michael Wittmann and Balthasar Woll, that the tank commander and the gunner achieved the majority of "kills" when deployed together. (This corresponded to M.Wittmann's award of the Knight's Cross with oak branches and swords and B.Woll's award of the Knight's Cross).


For example, there were a number of gunners in O.Carius's crew whose unofficial list of "kills" was certainly respectable, but the official list of "kills" was tied only to the name of the tank commander. Fr. Carius was awarded the Knight's Cross with oak branches for his achievements, while none of his gunners received the Knight's Cross. In the case of K.Knispel it was a very similar situation, having served as a gunner under several tank commanders. On his unofficial "kills" list, he accumulated 126 tank hits, but these accomplishments were divided into several official "kills" lists that were tied to the names of different commanders. None of these commanders, however, received such high honours as M.Wittmann and O.Carius, so that gunner K.Knispel had no chance of being honoured in the same way as Wittmann's gunner B.Woll.


It is interesting to note that in the summer of 1944 both B.Woll and K.Knispel "retrained" as tank commanders. In this capacity, K.Knispel was officially credited with 42 tank hits, which when taking into account his unofficial 126 kills as a gunner, gave more than good reason to earn the Knight's Cross. However, the character of K.Knispel played a role there, who as a soldier was rather undisciplined and had a "stupid habit" of openly criticizing his superiors... If my memory serves me right, F.Kurowski wrote in his book that Knispel's front commanders proposed a couple of times to award him the Knight's Cross, but the staff officers of sPzAbt. 503 "Feldherrnhalle" always vetoed it.
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Citace - Dolin404 :

I'm going crazy!!!! Sure Uffz. of 3./503 had in may 1944 to his credit as a gunner 103 notches.....no Knispel very similar number!!! So there were other good shooters like Knispel!!!


Otherwise, I'm reading the combat diary of a gentleman from the 1st/503 (he was in a tank, not "just so" with the unit) and it goes day by day what happened, names, tanks, kills,.....until 27.4.45...and then it goes on from there on 1.5.45.


..THEY (the survivors of 503) DID NOT CALL ENBARGO OR WHATEVER FOR THAT FINAL BATTLE!!! SadSad



Can you please give me the name of the tank gunner from the 3rd/503 who had 103 "kills" on his list in May 1944?


As for the diary of the member of the 1st /503, is he by any chance Alfred Rubbel? (He did publish his diary, but served in the 3rd/503).


The mystery of K.Knispel's last battle remains unsolved. Unlike his final resting place, we have been unable to find out any new information about the circumstances of his death. In my opinion, however, this is not an "information embargo" of the veterans of sPzAbt.503, but rather the fact that in the last days of the war this unit did not fight as a whole. Small battle groups consisting of a few tanks were dispersedly deployed on critical sections of the front of the parent "Feldherrnhalle Korps" and very few witnesses of K.Knispel's last battle remained. Only various reports of his death reached the other members of sPzAbt.503, with some information coming out in the chaos of the last days of the war, and some only long after the war was over... Now 65 years after these events, it is very difficult to piece together the mosaic of what really happened on 29.4.1945 at Stronsdorf.
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I enclose a document with a list of members of the 3rd Company sPzAbt.503 "Feldherrnhalle" dated 9.2.1945. Kurt Knispel is not listed in it, because he served in the 1st Company. However, there are a few guys whose names we have already come across in our search - von Rosen, Rubbel, Skoda, Bechtel.
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Does the list also fit "horizontally" - i.e. is it completely the crew of a particular tank?
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Peter, I don't think that's out of the question. At first I thought it was sorted (vertically) by rank and alphabet, but it's not. Neither the ranks nor the surnames fit exactly alphabetically for all the functions. Looks like you hit the nail on the head Very Happy It stands to reason that the commander must have had the highest rank, and if he was an officer, his tank may have had a "lineup" with the highest ranks.
Regarding the 27.4.-1.5. gap, Viktor's theory from 30.1.2010 seems the most likely, that the tanks were deployed in small groups and if KK fought with Skoda at Stronsdorf and both were killed (God knows what happened to the crews), then he probably had no one to report to. It probably wasn't better elsewhere. So until they retreated to Socherl to "lick their wounds" and repair their machines, the staff probably didn't know much about what was going on. That's probably why the "hole" in the combat log is gaping.
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Yeah, that's pretty clear to me. But even so, as we've known since 23-28 deployments and small groups of machines. I understand that what we are talking about regarding KK is just the very end, but even if we mention the Suchohrdly tanks, it is known that two tanks were at Zwingerdorf (AT) and two were somewhere near us (I remember). And according to the diary of that one (I don't remember the name), despite the quite "advanced time", it was still training! He has a mention of practice 1./503 firing on 26.4.45 I think! Technically then the tanks were grinding their last because the crossing of the axis on 13/14 April 45 from Breclav to Austria shut down all the machines for 3 days!! And even further there is a lot of notes like "unsere panzer ist kaputt", however, the system and administration I think it was not bad..... but I am still 3-4 days before the death of K.K....the end will probably be unfortunately from the German side already unsolvable. See my previous post regarding the British bombers and the archives...
Quite interested to see if any list of destroyed equipment can be traced in the Russian archives - perhaps that technical company. I have two fragments from Czechoslovakia - from CZ and SK,...but it's always an area outside our interests,...Sad
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Crew order does not match. Those underlined in pencil are the crew of Königstiger No. 312 3/503.
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Interesting comment.
I came across a discrepancy (?) in the date 24. 4. 45 -
Book - TIC 1 : Tanks are moving to Zwingendorf.
Notes in the diary : In Jindrichuv Hradec with Feldherrnhalle


This is quite a diametrically different area...Confused
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Dolin404: In Jindřichův Hradec? 24.4. ? That's some bullshit. What diary are these notes from? FHH2 where he was part of 503sPzAbt certainly not and FHH1 just fought at Ořechov.
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It's this gentleman's diary - Uffz. Hans Welsch 1./s. Pz.Abt. 503


It says literally : 23.4.45 We are being loaded in Hrusovany (Grusbach). We will go through Znojmo in the direction of Jindřichův Hradec. so like this : Verladen in Grusbach (Hrušovany). Es geht uber Znaim (Znojmo) in Richtung Neuhaus (J.Hradec) and a day later on 24.4.45 there is "In Neuhaus bei der "FHH"....it's just that in TIC 1 it is stated that they were still rather "here" nearby in the Mikulov-Znojem area. It's probably wrong in the diary (I give it about 80% right), I just wonder which name Welsch might have misspelled or where they might really have been Confused


I'm just wondering if tedey has any other notes or sources. The ending in both books I have is quite "messed up" Breclav region is all shifted to Austria, dates and places don't match due to the conflations (Hrusky - Hrušovany, Mor.Krumlov and Moravský Žižkov) however this can all be traced and matched to dates,....only here with the "Hradec" it's on the pickaxe,..a bit. And for the pretext that I have it translated well,..Shocked
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The catch is that Neuhaus, not only J. Hradec, but also the place not far from Mikulov, where the castle once stood, is of course on the maps, and since it is a hill, it may as well be.
On the other hand, there is a photo of Kingtiger in front of the JH station.
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Yeah, the Neuhaus one didn't sit well with me as a JH either! And the fact that JH was called Neuhaus in German is untraceable to me, the "maps" found 2 - both in Germany. On the other hand, at Mikulov - that would fit the location, (but I didn't find Neuhaus there either, and that should be a station with navagon facilities), plus at that time the workshops were moving from Lao to Socherl.
The KT in front of the JH station would be from 7.5.- 8.5.45, from the time of the retreat to Budejky. Unless they brought the tanks by train to JH and then returned with them along the axis, but that seems even more stupid.
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Neuhaus u Mikulova is the name of a ruin on a hill just above Horní Věstonice. It is a hill with a view to the north, south and east, about 5 km north of Mikulov. It is quite possible that the memorialist wrote down the place according to something on the map, perhaps the elevation, and did not bother with "Unterwisternitz" or "Oberwisternitz". It is of course in the area of the fighting, and the given elevation is a rather ideal place for an overview of the then Dyje riverbed, which could have been a defensive line. Today there is a reservoir there called Nové mlýny. But this is just a guess.
However, it is strange that the description of the train journey omits Jihlava, through which one would have to go to J. Hradec. Since it was a town with a significant German "minority" it would probably have been mentioned, but perhaps the German comrade was asleep and did not keep a diary. The tank in front of the station in JH is clearly not drivable, though it may have been non-combat damage. You can't tell from the photo when it's been there, but it belongs to a set of photos from May (also in colour), it's a photo taken shortly after the war, possibly very close to liberation.
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Oh interesting thank you. This me too I thought I was just nothing closer found. It even you Budějovice are not very kosher! Generally in the book "Erinnerung" indicates that in the budejovice direction fit 9.5.45 into a peat bog and was the end,..well as it is known it Budejovice not that!!!!

About this "Neuhaus" I was looking for like this : search.seznam.cz.
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I was looking for a simpler way, I put it into Google and about the fifth link was to the castles.cz and the dimension nad Dyjí, which in total correspond. This is one of the options. Personally I J. hradec isn't too real. Purely theoretically could be some Neuhaus and on the other side of the border in Austria..
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Yes, there is also Neuhaus in Austria - on the border with Slovenia (46° 37' 60N, 14° 52' 60E), then in Burgenland near the border with Hungary (46° 52′ 0″ N, 16° 2′ 0″ E) and in the west of Austria near the border with Germany (48° 15' 0" N, 13° 18' 0" E)
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When I get on the train to Jindřichův Hradec at the main station, it doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to Jindřichův Hradec ... Wink
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The problem is that when you get on the train in Znojmo you go to Jihlava, to Hradec you change trains Smile, from Znojmo you can't go to Hradec. so there's no way to get there. In reality there is a line Znojmo Jihlava, and Jihlava Veselí n/L and on the other side Jihlava Brno, which was already in the Austrian times. It doesn't fit the travel at all, the track to JH is about twice as long and I'm not sure how much it could be relied on at the end of the war. At least in the Bohemia area (but probably Moravia as well) it was under attack by the Americans and the idea of moving by rail is pretty iffy. Of course, it saved gasoline, belts, etc. But to wagon in Znojmo and travel about 70 km is quite uncertain when even today it probably takes quite a long time, there are several stations in the way (again targets of attacks) M. Budejovice, Okříšky, Jihlava, Kostelec u Jihlavy and Horní Cerekev. Wherever there were problems. Plus there are several places in one area and the only one that would be somewhat pointlessly completely elsewhere. It doesn't really work out in terms of time.
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This is true, but both "Neuhaus" on the eastern side are far away from the FHH area of operations (I think this area was already out of FHH range, if not already in Russian hands) and especially they are villages without any railroad nearby. And when they talk about moving navagonized tanks, it's a pretty substantial thing. I haven't looked at the Neuhaus near the German border, but given the way things are going I think that's nonsense too. It must be our J.Hradec. Maybe when Dolin digs further into the bible, he'll find an explanation.
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Does anyone have a map of the front of "our" section of the fighting?? Let's say from Vlastatic all the way down south. For the fact that the tanks were at Vlasatic and in Austria on the same day, it's quite a stretch (probably similar to the 13.4. to 14.4. were at Breclav but also in Austria)...but I would still like to consult the "picture".
It's not the same after the occupation of Brno and not many historians pay much attention to it,...moreover it was already slightly chaotic I guess,....or to base on the dates of liberation of the villages? Sad


It's just because of the distances. When they went towards the oilfields in Austria on that 13.4, they didn't have a single tank for 3 days, it all fell apart...I guess T II didn't love the axis crossings...Confused
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Do you think these two maps? see. annex. The line of 6.5. corresponds to the line of 26.4. because with the exception of the cast of Brno made no difference, the front line in the "our" of the section remained unchanged until the surrender of 7.5., then it again started to move..
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Reproduction of a (poor quality) postcard of the settlement of Salisfeld (Salisov) belonging to the municipality of Endersdorf (Ondřejovice) from 1934. The school building that Kurt Knispel attended is on the bottom right.
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Gentlemen, as I watch the excerpts quoted from various memoirs, I cannot help but wonder. Dolin writes that StFw Schmidt fell in May at Zistersdorf, where he is buried. But from the quotation a little higher up you learn that on 21 April the front had already gone beyond Lao and before the end of April we are at Stronsdorf. See that Zistersdorf is 10 km east of Mistelbach and from there it is 15 to Stronsdorf (as the crow flies). Where did Schmidt get there in May, when at that time (after 21 April) according to Ludwig the Germans were throwing all their forces in the main direction (Nová Ves - Vlasatice). By the way, in the fight at Gaubitsch, Knispel could easily have worked! KTII is drawn in the plan "without a cloud" and the quantities of destroyed Soviet machines correspond to its powerful gun.
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Fantan: that must be some kind of Gefr error. Schmidt was originally the driver of Knispel's Tiger I with turret number 131 in 1/503 (Knispel was the gunner, Fendesack the tank commander, Loh the loader, Berger the radio operator) during operation Zitadelle. Schmidt then transferred to 3/503 and promoted up to StFw. and became tank commander. He was killed in 1945, but certainly not in May at Zistersdorf (where did that information come from???). In the chronicle he is listed as Stabsfeldwebel and Kommandant in 1/503 but Rubbel again lists him with the rank of Uffz. among the officers of 3/503, so take your pick.


In 1/503 he served as driver Uffz. Joachim Schmidke, in 1945 he was awarded the PKA IV. "75" (75 Panzerkampfabzeichen - 75 days of direct combat deployment), but I don't know how and where he ended up, I hope it's not a confusion of names or a transcription error, I don't know the first name of the Schmidt. Uffz. seems to me to be a pretty high rank for a driver, and Schmidt was originally a driver in 1/503.
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Dolin writes about Schmidt on page 8 of 8.3.2009, description of the fighting in Laa on 21.4. at the end of page 8 of 28.5.2009
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The "KK Investigative Group" had an exceptional opportunity to finally meet those of its members who had been nothing but nobodies, because Viktor found a free moment in his busy travel schedule.
So on Saturday we met after lunch and then sat in the friendly Brno beer hall PEGAS. Who is it? Well, Viktor and Steiner - the previously unknown ones - and we were joined by Dolin, Kapa, Jirka Vrba, Rad and my little one. Dolin (on the subject) finished the Bible with a copy of the Catholic canon (admirable), Steiner finished two issues of the Austrian PALLASCH (a magnificent military magazine) and so there was a lot to discuss. How and when it ended I don't know, I had to take the train. But it was definitely a very pleasant meeting. I'll attach a couple of photos.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Ještě, než dorazil Rad - moje maličkost byla na druhé straně foťáku

Ještě, než dorazil Rad - moje maličkost byla na druhé straně foťáku
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Zleva Steiner, Viktor, Dolin, vzadu vykukuje kousek Kapy.

Zleva Steiner, Viktor, Dolin, vzadu vykukuje kousek Kapy.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Vidíte tu bichli? To byl Dolin ochoten táhnout v ruce! V tom mrazu!

Vidíte tu bichli? To byl Dolin ochoten táhnout v ruce! V tom mrazu!
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Čekáme na zbytek - Viktor shání literaturu. Steiner se věnuje studiu.

Čekáme na zbytek - Viktor shání literaturu. Steiner se věnuje studiu.
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Apparently, I didn't understand how the pictures line up - well, it won't matter so much from now on. They are different phases of the debate over literature already in the famous Pegasus. The original suggestion to go to the "train" restaurant "OUTSIDE" was rejected because we wouldn't fit.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Dolin, Viktor, Kapa

Dolin, Viktor, Kapa
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Viktor s Dolinem

Viktor s Dolinem
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Steiner, Dolin a Viktor nad situačním nákresem

Steiner, Dolin a Viktor nad situačním nákresem
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - No jo, taky jsem tam byl - s Radem. Foto J.Vrba

No jo, taky jsem tam byl - s Radem. Foto J.Vrba
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Dolin, Viktor, Kapa, J.Vrba

Dolin, Viktor, Kapa, J.Vrba
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"KK Investigative Group" ...Very Happy I would say it's "Conspiracy - KK Investigative Group", because you guys didn't admit that you were going to meet...Very Happy
Otherwise, are there any conclusions from the KK group meeting?
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But Zbycho, take it easy! The meeting was arranged in a hurry and to drag you all the way for a few beers?
There are a lot of unresolved issues, because we don't know any usable data about the week of 21.4 - 29.4.45, when KK was supposed to die.
The VDK is reportedly going to get involved in the matter and Dolin will be communicating with them in an effort to get mutually beneficial cooperation. But I don't know the details exactly either, as I left before they were agreed.
We stopped posting "news" on the site when we discovered that our sources were being pilfered from elsewhere (not by warriors) and were in danger of being misused.
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I object to being included in KK's investigative group - because I only found out that he ever existed, and what or who a Knispel was, in Pegasus, when after twenty minutes I timidly asked Viktor what you've been talking about all along Laughing
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As a passive member of IS KK, I will just confirm that there was no choice but to move the debate about KK's last fight or resting place to email communication. Many diggers and self-proclaimed historians would be very willing, using info from Doli, Steiner, Viktor or Jirka "Fantan", with the assistance of TV N..A and similar grc TV, to dig up what is left of KK.


I am a passive member of IS KK for a simple reason. I basically started the debate about KK with an article about him on Valka, but unfortunately I don't have anymore Very Happy for the guys and their investigative methods. So I'm just cimrmanically "watching from afar" Very Happy.
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Gentlemen, I'm just now getting to the PC,...wandering around the inns of Bruno has struck me. Joint, spine and head pains combined with diarrhea of biblical proportions and course unfortunately did not allow me to do anything but lie and sit (alternately) in bed and on the ceramics......Fucking PANDUR!! Last time I got in there!!! LaughingLaughingLaughing



Otherwise, I agree with Kappa's statement,....poor guy, watching him was daunting for me,...perhaps he understood the word "tank" at times .....
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The bad thing was that I had to stay back, because I was going to work the next day (I just got back), but we had a good chat about what we were interested in and left the youngsters to get their jollies Very Happy The wheat pegasus was traditionally excellent, the company was great, what more could you ask for on a Saturday afternoon? Very Happy
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dolin: Of course, I know what a tank is. It's just not clear to me yet that you were the one who could stand to talk all afternoon about a tank from which beer is tapped... and a Knispel, which is not even made anywhere in our country, so you're theorizing... Laughing
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Radim, you don't talk too much and don't fuss when everything is clear Cool! I have documented that you have been constructively and actively involved in the topic! So, we take you as a corresponding member and unpaid consultant on the issues of localization of Brno pubs.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Tak, tady to máš! Je jasné, že tě problém zaujal!

Tak, tady to máš! Je jasné, že tě problém zaujal!
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Jo a tady je ta hambatá soška na okně sv. Jakuba

Jo a tady je ta hambatá soška na okně sv. Jakuba
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Není ta soška spíš na budově ČD?
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Tche stori.....
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Milá maminko, jsem tady sám,..a nevím co je to Knispel,....

Milá maminko, jsem tady sám,..a nevím co je to Knispel,....
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Por čsem toho kapu bral,...hahaha,..dyk on o tom tady nic neví!!

Por čsem toho kapu bral,...hahaha,..dyk on o tom tady nic neví!!
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Já tady čtu,..K,.K..Kni....

Já tady čtu,..K,.K..Kni....
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - KNIPSEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NE?!!JAKO CO TO TAM ČTEŠ!!!!!!

KNIPSEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NE?!!JAKO CO TO TAM ČTEŠ!!!!!!
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Bitax, the tracks do go around the building, but they told me that they are only for trams, trains don't go there. And since the street is called Jakubská, it's not really a train station. But the Brno people told me that it's not a sculptural pair, they said it shows where to put your tongue Shocked. And from the other side there is just such an uninteresting head.Smile
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - a že by na nádraží měli gotická okna? To snad ne!

a že by na nádraží měli gotická okna? To snad ne!
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Well, the window is clearly NOT "Gothic" (it's broken not in half-arch) and just for the record, they "station people" Smile probably got to the St. James window late enough, either during the 19th century regauging or during the mid-eighteenth century rebuilding. And the head is on a window which is semi-circular (so not "Gothic") on a church which is late Gothic, a lot of the elements were added just during the 19th century rebuilding, when a lot of the old gargoyles and other stonework were removed and replaced with other elements. The restoration of the church took a lot of work and mostly concerned the south side (removal of the adjacent older buildings), including the opening of previously bricked windows.
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Generally :


An initial survey of the site has been carried out in cooperation with the VDK. The graves of both Kurt Knispel and Fw.Skoda have been located (more or less Very Happy ). Both graves are completely somewhere else! They are not near each other.


In the area of the villages around Znojmo I managed to locate two more Tiger II tanks. Both based on finding parts from the wrecks.
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Well, that's great, Dolin. "Somewhere else entirely" means that K.Knispel is not buried in Vrbovec? Is it possible to give more detailed info?
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Mira, I wouldn't worry about it. Everything's working out the way it's supposed to. According to the hypothesis we were working from, they both ended their lives fighting side by side. Logically, they should be buried close together.
In fact, Skoda (who died on the spot) was buried in Socherl (Suchohrdly near Miroslav), where he was apparently transported for that purpose from the place where he died (wherever that may have been), whereas Knispel was buried in Vrbovec, at the "Heldenfriedhof", because he was taken there for treatment after a severe wound sustained in combat- the locations of the fighting have yet to be specified, as well as other details. From the sources we have, he died as a result of poor (no) treatment after his wound, so there was not much the doctors could do.
We have identified KK's grave (the "Heldenfriedhof" one to be precise) with the help of witnesses, and Skoda's grave from documentation.
All of this is being arranged in cooperation with the Czech section of the German War Graves Society Dolin, the rest of us are just "doing our part" - we don't want to make a sensation out of it. That is why Dolin informs only in pieces and for some people incomprehensibly.
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Congratulations, so if I understand correctly, Kurt Knispel's grave is finally known and the next steps are out of the public eye for obvious reasons. I just hope that when it's "all over", we'll know where to lay a bouquet for him...
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Miro, I am afraid that even if we are fully successful, it is a very long run. The site contains not just two graves, as the DVK expected, but about 12-15. The exhumation will be followed by a scientific analysis to determine the identity of the deceased, then the remains will probably be in a depository for some time before a decision is made on the final disposition site. I'll probably be gone by then, and your kids will be in school.
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A flower? Quite possibly in Brno in the military section of the central cemetery. Last year, an estimated 200 gravestones with hundreds of names were added there. And there's room for more graves there. When am I going to rewrite all this?
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Yes, as Jirka writes. I thought it was understandable and clear. So again. The Knispel is not next to the Fw.Skoda, but quite different. Which would confirm the hypothesis that somehow this was not the version where Skoda moved into Knispel's tank...
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So your action titled: :Let's find the tank ace KK, would deserve an article in a better magazine. Wink
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Fantan, my daughter will be going to school next year Smile I just hope that the place of research will remain secret and will not become a target of raids by collectors of various relics, which DKiG might tempt them to do...
glgačka: I didn't exactly mean some memorial plaque with ikx names, but a specific place where the relics will actually lie...
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Citace - piranha :

So your action under the title: :Let's find the tank ace KK, would deserve an article in a better magazine. Wink



Cool... everything will be! Very Happy
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It's Mira:


a photo of the German section of the military part of the central cemetery in Brno, it is similar in other German cemeteries in the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
In Brno I am sure that the remains are physically lying there.
In the upper left corner there is another plot for burial.
So far, the only fully processed part can be found here: www.vets.estranky.cz
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glgačke: nice cemetery. I meant Knispel directly...
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Hello, can we contact mr. Fantan on the To. Knispel? Tel. is 608122475.
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Now I appeared on the iDnes article, historians have discovered in the Znojmo district, the remains of the tank aces Kurt Knispela.

Link:
zpravy.idnes.cz.
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Citace - Fantan :

Miro, I am afraid that even if we fully successful, it's running on hooodně long haul. The site contains not only two graves, as she waited DVK, but about 12-15. After the exhumation will be followed by scientific analysis, which should determine the identity of the deceased, then obviously some time will be remains in the depository before a decision will be made about the point of deposit and, after it comes to a definitive save. I don't, and Your kids will go to school.


Fantan mel but the truth Sad with just the identification of it thanks to psim znamkam perhaps it will be easier, so we'll see how that cell will turn out.
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Need to wehrmacht-awards.com

It is also note :
Too bad the guys seem to be digging him up like savages, and rubbing and perfectly readable zing ID tag with a metalic brush!! Typical Volksbund quality work.

Due to causes around the identification of Slovakia and,...well,..perhaps,...Confused.
Kde je pochován Kurt Knispel - tankové eso? - Ilustrační screenshot z ČT
Václav Šálek/ČTK

Ilustrační screenshot z ČT
Václav Šálek/ČTK

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Depositing the remains of Kurt Knispela

Report of the Historical department of the Moravian museum - here..
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Well, the one picture where he has the lord (tankán) on the portrait picture covered up a swastika..
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Hi guys! I’ve been reading this post since yesterday, google translator sometimes it’s quite confusing.
You’ve done a great job, congratulations!!!
Please let me know if I’understood it correctly:


the battle in which both Knispel and Skoda took part was near Vlasatice right?
The village of Stronsdorf does not have anything to do with the story, right?
Then, Skoda during the battle was killed and buried in a nearby village (about 8 km from Vlasatice) Suchohrdly U Miroslavi, is there in this village a cemetery with Skoda’s grave?
Knispel has been badly injured and transported, quite far away (about 30 km in straight line) to a field hospital near Vrbovec but unfortunately they couldn’t do much to him and was buried near the cemetery of this village (to be precise outside the cemetery walls with 15 others soldiers)
Did I’ve understood right till now?
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