Hello everyone, I want to ask about the Czechoslovak Home Guard Association from Italy. I have already retrieved something from the Internet, but still nothing much. Surely there is someone here who has a good knowledge on the subject. My great-grandfather (see photo) was a member of said militia, but I'm still not clear on the status of the militia. For example, on the VÚA Prague website he is not listed among the legionnaires. Is it possible that they were additionally recruited into that militia after the war, or were they not classic legionnaires? I read that this militia were actually "just" prisoners from the last offensive on the Italian front in autumn 1918. And I'm also wondering if there is any database of WW1 soldiers showing which units they fought in. I know there is a database, but they were killed in the German and Austrian domains. It's more of a curiosity as all my great grandfathers thankfully returned from the war, but I'd be interested to know their fate during those years. Thanks so much to everyone for any replies. Libor
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The Home Guard battalions were a special part of the Czechoslovak troops in Italy. They were formed after 28.10.1918 and consisted of citizens of Czechoslovakia - former soldiers of the R-U army who had been captured, but were not members of the Czechoslovak Legion. Most of them were from the last tal. But there were also earlier captured. After 28.10. they were obliged to take service in the army of the Czechoslovakia. Total 55 + 1 battalion, 60,000 men, headquarters Galarata.
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Dear colleague libol, colleague lupesku is partly right, the sixty thousand Austro-Hungarian prisoners of Czech, Moravian and Slovak nationality did not join the legions before 28 October 1918 because they were faithful to their oath to Emperor Charles. The formation of the militia battalions could not occur until 1 November of that year, when Emperor Charles released his loyalists from their oath and allowed them to join the forming armies of the newly emerging states.
The Union of Czechoslovak Militia, was a civic association and you may find their association newsletter in some library.
Radek Přepiora: The Czechoslovak Home Guard from Italy and its Activities 1918-1920, Faculty of Arts, University of Ostrava, student thesis, Ostrava 1999
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Dear, The search engine of the National Library, records books and yearbooks that were related to the Union of Czechoslovak Home Guard in Italy:
Jaroslav Výborný: From the Austrian trenches to the Czechoslovak Home Guard - the history of the Home Guard battalions and the Avezzan battalions, Moravian Legionary, Brno 1927 without author's name: 15 years of the formation of the Czechoslovak Home Guard battalions. Fifteen years of formation of Czechoslovak Home Guard battalions in Italy, Olomouc 1933 without author's citation. Advertising 34, Choceň 1936 Rudolf Procházka: In Italian Captivity, Association of Czechoslovak Officers, Prague 1938 without author's citation. The first yearbook was published in 1933 and the last one in 1938
It is possible that municipal libraries own other titles that are not registered by the NCP.
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Dear Jirko Tintěro, you are absolutely right, but the date 28.10.1918 is important for judging who is and is not a legionary. Those who joined or applied for the Czechoslovak army after that date, for example even on 29 October, were no longer counted among the legionaries.
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Thanks to both of you for your replies, I'll keep digging into the sources you wrote. Just a little pearl, as I was looking on VÚA Praha, I apparently found my great-grandfather's brother among the Italian legionaries He has the same city of birth listed there, the date of birth is only about two years different and his name is the same as great-grandfather (although I admit that the name Karel was given to everyone else at that time But anyway, if it's not great-grandfather's brother, it could be some other relative. The worst part is that I don't have anyone in my family to ask anymore, I was too young when the possibility was there, but I guess that's everyone's problem. Thanks again.
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Jen obecně, neb kolegové téměř vše objasnili. Hlavně to byla snaha vyrovnat se legionářům. Naši dědové statečně bojovali na Italské frontě a po návratu domů jsou najednou mimo pozornost, neb to jsou jen bratři legionáři, kterým patří sláva. Je nutno si uvědomit, že 92% vojáků z území budoucí ČSR bojovali až do trpkého konce. Můj děda např. ještě 4. listopadu byl v poli na svém obraném úseku. Proto ta domobrana neb v tomto případě to bylo i polepšení občanského postavení jak v armádě, tak i v civilním životě. Přitom se tito vojáci zapojili i do obraných bojů a to již koncem roku 1918 a bojovali s "brášky" statečně. Já bych se přimlouval za pozornost i v problematice lidí, kteří stáli v poli proti nepříteli.
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It's not such a problem that there is no one to ask, you can find it quite easily in the registry office (a lot of them are already digitized so if you know the place and year of birth it's easy) and you can eventually have someone who does it compile a family tree and you can find relatives there.Usually you can get to the 18th century, but somewhere even further (it depends on the place). So you can find out if the person was a relative or if it is a name match (it was quite common in some places that several families had the same surname). For example, you can use: http://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/ specifically the civil registry tab.
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To Bitaxe: Já už právě mám zpracovaný rodokmen, ale jiné části rodiny. Teď se postupně pouštím do další, ale díky za tipy.
To altman: Právě to mě na tom také zajímalo, protože Svaz domobrany ... měl i u nás v městě odbočku, měli jsme doma celé zarámované tablo (obraz) s ostatními členy, všichni vyfoceni v uniformách i se jmény. Mám ho vyfocené a originál jsme dali do městského muzea. Každopádně je to zajímavé, že i když proti sobě bojovali na různých frontách (někdy i příbuzní), tak pak dokázali táhnout za jeden provaz. I když určitá nadřazenost legionářů (možná jimi samými i nechtěná) určitě byla. Každopádně takový rivalita neměla podle mě zásadní vliv na další soužití těch lidí. Ale určitě pokud má někdo jinou zkušenost třeba z vyprávění, tak mi to zajímá.
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Dear colleague, Some time ago the Ministry of the Interior set up a search engine called Archival Funds and Collections in the Czech Republic. I entered your query into this search engine and found out that there are two funds registered in the following archives: the SČSDI Poděbrady branch in SOkA Nymburk and the Josefov branch in SOkA Náchod.
With a slightly modified assignment, about fifteen links fell out of which I was interested in the Fund for the Maintenance of the Permanent Memory of the Czechoslovak Resistance in Italy. To our misfortune, it is one or two cartons of archival material that are stored at the Military Historical Archive at Invalidovna. There is a note next to the fonds that it is not accessible, but that does not mean that the director will not grant you a research exemption.
If none of the above records are from your town, don't despair. That's because most of the archival materials stored in our municipal, county, regional and central archives are not processed. For this case, I recommend that you inquire with all the archives and museums in whose area your town falls.
P. S. You have indicated that the other relative was in the legions, so you can ask for help from the local branch of the re-established Czechoslovak Legionary Community.
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Díky, to vypadá dobře. Myslím ale, že ani jeden z archivů to nebude. Pravděpodobně budeme spadat pod SOkA Kladno, tam se brzy chystám, tak budu pokračovat tam. Díky.
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Pane kolego, nezapomeňte na místní muzeum, nebo muzeum, kterému jste darovali album!
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S naším muzeem spolupracuji na různých věcech, také jsem tam strávil civilní službu, ale je pravda, že v kladenském muzeu by také něco mohlo mít. Zatím jsem se vydával cestou "ptaní po příbuzných".
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Thank you for opening up a topic that I am quite interested in. My grandfather wasn't captured (he ended the war in the Alps and returned home via Italy), he wasn't in the legions, but he spent six months after the war in some camp somewhere between Rome and Naples. He returned home in 1920, still fighting against the Bolsheviks in Slovakia on the way. I have selected a few excerpts from the authentic diary:
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It is Sunday, November 3, 1918. I was twenty-four the day before yesterday, and have spent the last four years in the war. Now it was over, and we could say goodbye to the war and to Austria; tomorrow the armistice on the Italian front would come into force. We are going to Italy. ... November 30 I also joined the Legion. But I don't know if I will be recognized as fit. My health is poor and they need fit people there. Still, if it comes to that, I'll gladly sacrifice that wreck of a mental shell. If I could have served Austria for four years, perhaps I could have given my life for our republic. Perhaps I will see that beautiful country with a promising future again. I would really hate to lay down my bones here, I think it would be hard to rest here. It's a good thing I have a few friends here, we miss each other and time just passes by a bit. We get the newspaper here and read about a new illness - homesickness. It's portrayed in a humane way, but unfortunately it's a cruel disease. I don't wish it on anyone. But it's so widespread here that we don't have a cure. Will there be a doctor who can put us out of our misery? What about my dear ones at home? I wonder what is the matter with them, that no news comes from me. December 5 Today our legionnaires left and we gave them tickets to take with them, if they get home, to drop them somewhere in the post office. The next days drag on worse than we did. It's amazing what order there is here. We don't even go hungry, it's the hope of home that feeds us. I shall remember my stay in Italy only with a curse, they treat us truly honestly. In the newspapers we receive, great words of brotherhood in arms and peace, some thanking others for the help they have rendered, and meanwhile they have shut us up as faithful allies in this accursed nest where lice move about us and we freeze at night. It's a good thing we get a little warmth in the sun during the day. If the weather had been like the first days, we would have died long ago. January 1 We enter the New Year 1919 with the best of hopes. We still have a little work to do, but I hope we shall get over it in a playful way. We are looking forward like children to a happy return to our dear homeland, which we have not seen for so long. Before six o'clock in the morning, at the instigation of Zugsführer Bachor, we shouted "Cheers" to Masaryk, to freedom and to our army, after which we sang our prayer "Where is my home". And so we began the new year. But the weather didn't prove too promising. It has been raining almost incessantly since the morning and so we have been sticking to our nests. I have already read the whole novel of Politics, I have eaten the bread and the last minage, but my mood is bad. I miss smoking, a terrible habit. I was better until I met him. The war taught me that too. I'd like to quit, but there's little hope. We haven't got our pay yet, and so the misery is universal. 9th March It's going badly, Sunday. Can't sleep, the sun won't let up, and if it wasn't for the starling, Sunday would be unbearable. We are not doing badly, but everyone is waiting for the departure as a deliverance. It's been a while since I've been home, it'll be 13 months soon. We'll celebrate Popeye's birthday on March 19, 1919 here, but I don't think there will be much glory. I am writing home and I haven't received a note yet, maybe they don't get anything. And it is six months since I got the last news from home and then I am supposed to be in some sort of mood.
This is the last diary entry.
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He has the same city of birth listed there, the date of birth is only about two years different and his name is the same as great-grandfather (although I admit that the name Karel was given to everyone else at that time 
He has the same city of birth listed there, the date of birth is only about two years different and his name is the same as great-grandfather (although I admit that the name Karel was given to everyone else at that time