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Citace - Pigi :
Mne daná fotka pripomína jedno miesto vo Valentovciach. Ale pokojne sa môže jednať aj o miesto z trojuholníka Čabiny-Volica-Valentovce. Toto je len moja domienka.
Citace - Pigi :
Avšak dozvedel som sa že približne v mieste tejto lokality ( Valentovce a okolie) pôsobilo až 6 delostreleckých batérií. Zdroj uvádza, že boli situované približne v jednej línii.
Citace - Pigi :
...Cisárske Kráľovske velenie posilnilo svoje delostrelectvo 30,5 cm mažiarmi, ktoré od Volice začali páliť na ruské pozície v priestore Sukova, kláštora ( krásny Brod) a Čabaloviec....
Igor Slepcov
Ozveny Karpát, r.3, č.39, 29.9.1993, s. 5
Citace - Pigi :
Batt.No15 bude podľa mna označovať skôr číslo batérie, ako rok, i keď číslo 15 značne nahráva roku 1915.
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Citace - Martin Drobňák :
Ak správne vidím, tak na fotografii by mal byť 30,5 cm moždir vz. 1911 (resp. 1911/16). Škodovácke závody v Plzni od roku 1912, do roku 1918 celkom vyrobili 102 kusov tejto zbrane (troch vzorov: 1911, 1911/16, 1916).
Z tohto počtu:
43 kusov zbrane vz. 1911 (časť upravená neskôr na vzor 1911/16)
28 kusov zbrane vz. 1911/16
Dokopy teda bolo vyrobených 71 kusov zbrane, ktorá by mohla zodpovedať tej čo je zobrazená na fotografii. Dva kusy tejto zbrane boli použité pri stavbe provizórnej delostreleckej batérie, ktorá chránila prístav v Pule.
Podľa toho mi vychádza, že ak jedná batéria bola vyzbrojená dvoma mažiarmi, tak týmto typom zbrane mohlo byť vyzbrojené maximálne 35 batérií.
Nie je na tej fotke uvedený rok? Vzhľadom na to, že existujú údaje o množstve dodávok tejto zbrane v jednotlivých rokoch bolo by ľahšie sa dopátrať k jednotkám, kde slúžila. Podobne sú známe aj miesta nasadenia týchto zbraní, čo tiež zvyšuje pravdepodobnosť identifikácie jednotky. Napríklad na východnom fronte boli dve batérie súčasťou výzbroje pevností Krakow a Przemysl - celkom 4 mažiare. V období 13.02. - 05.03. 1915 dve batérie (4 kusy) na strane nemecka vypomáhali pri obliehaní pevnosti Osovec a pod.
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Zdroj:
KUPKA, V.: Rakousko-uhersky 30,5 cm moždíř Škoda. In: Atm, roč. 38, 2007, č. 6., s. 72 - 75.
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Citace - Radoslav Turik :
To Teodor: Veľmi pekné foto. Môžeš povedať niečo viac o jeho pôvode? Ešte som ho nevidel.
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Citace - MacGyver :
No vtedajšia diskusia vyvrátila nasadenie mažiarov v údolí Laborca s tým,pokiaľ sa nemýlim, že to bola veľmi malá pravdepodobnosť aby sa mažiare nasadili práve tu, keď ich bolo vyrobené pomerne malé množstvo.
Citace - Martin Drobňák :
Neviem či som to teraz pochopil, ale máš predstavu, že v údoli Laborca pôsobilo 6 delostreleckých batérii vyzbrojených 30,5 cm mažiarmi?....Neexistuje, aby viac ako 1/3 bola nasadená v údolí Laborca!!! Pre porovnanie pri nemeckom útoku na začiatku vojny boli nemeckej armáde prepožičané 4 batérie 30,5 cm mažiarov (prvý krát nasadené proti belgickej pevnosti Namur - august 1914).
Podľa môjho osobného názoru nasadenie mažiarov v údolí Laborca je sporné (tie story o mažiaroch v údolí Laborca poznám, ale z historického hľadiska, je to veľmi nedôveryhodný zdroj). Ak tak maximálne jedna až dve batérie.
Citace - MacGyver :
Neviem prečo, ale každý radšej vyvracia informácie, ako ich potvrdzuje nejakými faktami.
Citace - MacGyver :
Avšak záleží to od uhlu pohľadu...optimisti budú vždy hľadať práve tie pozitívne stránky ktoré to dokazujú, a oponenti zasa stránky ktoré to vyvrátia.
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Citace - MacGyver :
Žil som v tom, že hypotéza o nasadení bola vyvrátená práve tebou, a pokiaľ sa nemýlim, utvrdil si mi to aj mimo fóra.
Citace - Martin Drobňák :
Podľa môjho osobného názoru nasadenie mažiarov v údolí Laborca je sporné (tie story o mažiaroch v údolí Laborca poznám, ale z historického hľadiska, je to veľmi nedôveryhodný zdroj). Ak tak maximálne jedna až dve batérie.
Citace - MacGyver :
Za ďalšie, myslím si že nie je veľmi spravodlivé porovnávať prácu ľudí ako som ja a prácu historikov. Je neadekvátne porovnávať taktiež výsledky práce. Predsa, obe strany používajú iný postup, preto aj výsledky môžu byť rozdielne.
Citace - MacGyver :
Veľakrát fámy a povedačky obsahujú viac pravdy ako oficiálne zdroje...A takto to fungovalo aj vtedy a funguje aj v dnešnej dobe
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Citace - ignatios :
K fotografii mažiaru vo Volici , by sa žiadalo upresniť Aksamitom, kde je uložené (deponované) foto a prípadne bližšie údaje o uvádzanom dôstojníkovi. Po tomto doplnení, by toto foto mohlo byť primárnym citačným zdrojom, a v prípade , že popis pod fotografiou sa v ďalšom dôveryhodne nespochybní aj dôkazom o prítomnosti mažiara v obci.
Citace - bitaxe :
To že historii děláme jako koníčka neznamená že bychom ji nemohli dělat dobře a třeba právě podobné místní pátrání obvykle v historii chybí (což je mnohdy škoda).
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Citace - ignatios :
K písomnej spomienke zo Sterkoviec:
Pre tých, čo nerozumejú rusínsky by uvedený text v slovenčine vyzeral asi takto:
"Ale front od nás je (na?, za?, pred?)Halaškovom. Maďarský front (je) poniže Výravy, už len z kanónov na nás strely padajú. Z Világ (Svetlíc) už aj do Labirca (Medzilaboriec)ťažké strely štyridsiatky z ..(?).., z Radvane, z Koškoviec. Keď jedna strela spadla na dom, tak z neho nič nezostalo ...".
Poznámka: Halaškov je chotárny názov v katastrálnom území Sterkoviec.
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Citace - ignatios :
Ako laik v tejto oblasti sa ešte chcem spýtať. Číslicami 1,2,3,4 sú označené roty(?)1. práporu 6. pluku (I./6 - je tam zreteľne vidieť) 2. pešej divízie. Na druhej strane číslicami 5, 6, 7, 8 sú označené tiež roty(?) 2. práporu 6. pluku (II./6 - je tam tiež zreteľne vidieť) 2. pešej divízie. V Nižnej Radvani (nad označením 2. JTD) je vlajočka - je tam štáb 2. pešej divízie? V Radvani mal vtedy sídliť štáb tejto divízie, ako som sa dočítal na fóre (generál Liposcak).
Čo ešte znamenajú línie označené prerušovanými čiarkami a čo línie označené bodkočiarkovane?
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Citace - Aksamit :
Všechno sedí, akorát mě mate fakt, že v rámci 2. pěší divize žádný 6. pluk neoperoval.
2.ID měla pod sebou dvě pěší brigády.
3. IBrig a 4. IBrig. V rámci třetí brigády, jejíž štáb je na mapce zachycen, operovaly: Infanterie Regiment 40, Bosensko-Hercegovinský Infanterie Regiment 4 a 4. prapor polních myslivců.
Nikde žádná šestka...
A.
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Citace - ignatios :
Tesne pred ruským vpádom sa v tomto priestore pohybovala 29. pešia divízia, ktorá prišla zo Srbska. V Habure sa nachádzal 23. prápor poľných strelcov 58. brigády tejto divízie. Táto divízia sa však bojov na tomto úseku nezúčastnila, pretože bola presunutá do Wole Michovej.
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Citace - Palošek :
Docela nedávno jsem se po dlouhém váhání odhodlal zjistit,kde padl můj praděda.Z vojenského archívu mi přišla zpráva:domobranecký pěšák,příslušník 25.domobraneckého pluku zemřel dne 25.4.1915 v polní nemocnici 1/8 ve Stakčíně v Zemplínské župě na východním Slovensku.Pohřben byl 26.4.ve Stakčíně."na vrchu severně od řeky".
Sledoval jsem vaši diskuzi se zájmem a rád bych se tedy dozvěděl něco víc o této jednotce a případně kde se ve Stakčíně tento hrob nachází.
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Citace - Aksamit :
Ano, s největší pravděpodobností se jedná o Radvaň nad Laborcom. V levém dolním rohu fotografie jsou vidět jednotlivé vagóny...
Připojuji pár dalších fotografií:
První s popisem: "Munitiontransport im Viravatal"
druhá: "Beobachtungstelle auf dem genommenen Dielec während des Kampfes um die Pashöhen von Lupkow"
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Citace - diry :
Myslím si,že kótu Dielec ste špatne umiestnili do Radvani n/Lab. Podľa turistickej mapy č.106_laborecka_vrchovina_dukla (výrez prikladám) je kóta Dielec 548 nad obcou Sterkovce, alebo Dielec 392 pri obci Čabiny a môže byť aj ako Diel nad obcou Valentovce. Ináč som rodák z Valentoviec a chodím tam pravidelne na chalupu, takže pokiaľ by ste potrebovali nejaké foto, alebo údaje, tak napíšte mi na e-mail
Citace - MinTaur :
Panove, dovolil jsem si za pouziti sve fotky udelat malou rekonstrukci, z niz je shoda toho pohori celkem patrna. Berte zaroven v potaz, ze to neni fotka z vrcholu, ale z pozice nekde na kraji dnesniho lesa, takze ten uhel pohledu na hranicni hreben neni uplne totozny.
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Citace - MinTaur :
V oblasti Vilagu probihaly boje 29. brezna, a jednotlive jeste behem 3., 4. a 5. dubna.
Jenom pesi pluk 94 mel behem techto boju minimalne 51 padlych a 103 zranenych o kterych by se dalo predpokladat, ze mnozi byli pochovani prave zde. Myslim ale, ze ty pocty byly mnohem vyssi.
Citace - Radoslav Turik :
Na cintoríne Világ I. sú pochovaní aj vojaci peších c. a k. plukov č. 29, 33, ale najmä 94 a 101.
Világ II.- tu vo väčšine prípadov chýba príslušnosť k jednotke, ale nachádzajú sa tu padlí z c. a k. pešieho pluku č. 29 a 99 a tiež delostreleckého pluku č. 3.
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Citace - Palošek :
Docela nedávno jsem se po dlouhém váhání odhodlal zjistit,kde padl můj praděda.Z vojenského archívu mi přišla zpráva:domobranecký pěšák,příslušník 25.domobraneckého pluku zemřel dne 25.4.1915 v polní nemocnici 1/8 ve Stakčíně v Zemplínské župě na východním Slovensku.Pohřben byl 26.4.ve Stakčíně."na vrchu severně od řeky".
Sledoval jsem vaši diskuzi se zájmem a rád bych se tedy dozvěděl něco víc o této jednotce a případně kde se ve Stakčíně tento hrob nachází.
25. zemebranecky pesi pluk kromerizsky bojoval v dubnu 1915 ve svazku 13. zemebranecke pesi divize, ktera drzela usek fronty v oblasti byvale osady Zvola. Je tedy pravdepodobne, ze nekde v tech mistech byl zranen a pote prevezen na jih do lazaretu ve Stakcine, kde nakonec podlehl.
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Vie niekto identifikovat to miesto prisahy?
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Citace - Viktor :
V prípade fotografie č.8 nevylučujem, že jej lokalizáciu som „zrkadlovo obrátil″. Ak správne rozumiem tomu čo píše Mipome, tak nemeckí vojaci sa nachádzajú na ľavom brehu Belianky na svahu, ktorý je na súčasných mapách označený ako Lipovec. (Alebo inak povedané, nachádzajú sa na pravo od cesty, ktorá vedie z Radvane nad Laborcom do Zbudskej Belej). V tom prípade ma ale mätie jedna vec – prečo sú predprsne ich okopov navŕšené v opačnom smere, ako je línia frontu, odkiaľ môže prichádzať nepriateľská paľba? S presnou lokalizáciou tejto fotky môže pomôcť asi len „foto-rekonštrukcia″.
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