Flakpanzer Panther Ausf. D mit 3,7 cm Flak (poľná úprava)

I will try to introduce you to a rare machine on the chassis of the Panter Ausf.D. It is probably the only machine modified in this way.
Regarding the chassis. It is very difficult to reconstruct the form from a pair of low-quality photos. It is photographed through the window of the apartment above. Only the complete classic "deck series" body with the driver's lid open can be seen. Next to the hatch is an unidentifiable holder (??). The hull of the machine gun is not visible - the armor cover is closed. The side plates of the "width" machine completely lack at least on the left side (from the driver's point of view). In the classic place at the back is a pair of spare belt links. It is quite possible that it is a Bergepanter on the chassis Ausf.D. Unfortunately, it is not clear from the photo. The tank is very small across the square and the pictures I have are very poor. Above the heads of the driver and radio operator/shooter, instead of a pair of classic "panther" hatches in a screwed cover, is there a kind of sheet metal/armored ?? cover. From a layman's point of view, it would be said that it looks like a spoiler, ... This can be considered an element of the bergepanter. He often lacked an armored (removable) ceiling and hatches above the heads of the two. In the photo, however, unlike the berge, where (see photo) the canvas stretcher was pulled back, you can see the sheet metal/armor unfolding upside down. That is, as hinges in front behind periscopes. The 20mm flak holder is not known from some bergepanters on the front armor.
The vehicle lights are not visible on either side.


Flak itself has a classic shield. And it is stored on the site of the tower. In the case of that bergepanter in the place where the "technical" space was located.
Camouflage: so this is a strong nut. It is very bad to know from the photos. Personally, I would be inclined to the opinion that it is all yellow, heavily soiled, ..... ???? Some sharp transitions of color fields or other obvious color differences are not visible.
Location: photographed (as above) through a window in Jindřichův Hradec 7.5.1945. The machine is parked at the rear perpendicular to the houses not far from the Pharmacy. There are several civilians around, there are several German soldiers on the machine. Unfortunately, I do not know the town of Jindřichův Hradec, so I cannot determine what is behind the tank. It is probably a pump (either fuel or rather due to the location of the water).
Unfortunately I am not allowed to publish the photos yet, so at least I share their description, ... When I can determine the flak, I will at least give a drawing here machinery.


Valley
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I think this is this tank
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So me succeeded to get the other two pictures of this special machine. Although the quality of much of anything...but better than nothing! I am inclined to the opinion that the tank is abandoned, eventually I left back without surveillance / security guards,...
Picture taken from the same building, see the info in the Bitaxe.
(photo - the private collection of the author).
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The platform came from a refurbished Panther Ausf.D of A.Seibert-Stahlbau GmbH from Aschaffenburg, which dealt with these conversions Pantherov Ausf.D od 6/1944. This conversion is officially called Bergepanther (Umbau).


*source:


Thomas L.Jentz, Hillary L.Doyle, Lukas Friedli - Bergepanther Ausf.D, A, G, Panzer Tracts No.16-1, year of publication 2013, ISBN: No ISBN
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Diskuse

I have had the photo from the square in JH for about two years now, unfortunately it's not a negative, so it's hard to know what Dolin wrote, it's a rarity, but it can easily be a mistake (for example, only FlaK loaded loosely on the chassis used as a tractor) of those photos for various things from JH is quite enough, the rarity is I think only in one or two. but the quality is lousy Sad
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this Brano:

Ja som from the Valley drankal tú photo already on Humenskom zraze but forum youtube me that the ide on the photo, the town has though I think used in the yeah publikácii, so it with the team sending will probably be a little reálne..
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calmly they will send him forth (I no ban as far as I know I don't Smile ).
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It Bitexe : so here it throw. I may try to have something to paint, but I don't have much time. And that could go on the "just FlaK loaded freely on the chassis used as a tractor" to me the power does not seem to....it drove flak on panteru I think is not just najstabilnější,.......
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After zväčšení detail kanóna sa objaví characterized by a circular črta carriage 2cm Flak 38. Skúste sa on it mrknúť..
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At 20 mm sa I seem to get the cannon too massive. Fits there skôr teh 37 mm..
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Ok, môže though....
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Gun is most likely the 3,7 cm Flakabwehrkanone 43, corresponds to him how the shape of the shield so the "eye" (I admire that he could Brano noticed) this pretty widespread gun indeed, corresponds to the time of the determination, due to "the low stocking" on the vehicle probably has downsized lafetu used for the satcionárních works (may have but i just demontovaná shoulders standard tříramenné carriage)..
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Yeah yeah, this is vončo!!
So and to the history I learned, moreover, that:(Advance omoluvám all what to JH 1945 they are doing and have it in the little finger, I give as I received)
"Tank chassis in anti-aircraft to modify the heading to the two-day town hall to support the negotiation of the germans on the free passage of the city"

Valleys.
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it's the bottoms I don't want to argue, but it seems to me that the town hall is not headed Smile but if this comes out I am there next week (I drive through there quite regularly) and I'm going to check out where it goes (it seems to me that the more to the upper left corner of the square where the street leading to the station), or postávající civilians do not look that they are somehow afraid of and the tank looks rather deserted(I don't see anywhere to operate) so a little bit of doubt that is ongoing negotiations. I think that hradecko and třeboň before the time of investigation from this point of view, one known, if you go somewhere to meet poptal would like him, as indeed in JH took place. Nemyslímže if there had been some great resistance and obstruction of the passage (indeed, the passage of heavy vehicles has been around the problem rather transport after the winding road zatáčející to the hospital than it would someone defended and shot). Vehicles is, after all, more and more of a tank is to be in the photo in front of the station (from the time after the war and properly očesaný) the photo I find that it is very quiet, more like they were trying to keep order than something enforced (note that they are not anywhere přemazány inscriptions and similar things which usually are the first (and sometimes only) signs of rebellion. On the other side of the house next to the hotel, hang the banner (clearly american), but it seems that elsewhere have not..
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I don't want to argue Very Happy I got it as a label on one of those photos. in addition, the label nedoboou - someone dopsanou in the editor under the image.
Hence, písal : (Advance omoluvám all what to JH 1945 they are doing and have it in the little finger, I give as I received). I got to the second photo (pp from the same floor of the same building, just in another window ophled inducing it, that the barrel is pointing right against the lens of the camera. need it was somehow so. On the negotiations with the authorities in 1945 in JH too much I don't know - it's not my parketa.
Valleys.
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neither my parketa it's not Smile though from the surroundings of the JH comes from my family Smile, the other photo is to see only the rear part of this tank without the gun, it's just about people as there ochomítají. It is clear that it is from the period of around 7. - 9. may 1945, the exact date is not there, so it is also with why stand on the square just like this, rather surprises me that around is not the crew (around the gun it should be seen) the vehicle has a somewhat deserted, but again he local avoid. I am moving over to JH in the middle and go to the square and look where it is heading is not much of a problem Smile if I catch in a timely manner go from Brno. In theory, they could know something of the local muzejníci, but this catch, I will be in JH to věčeru..
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Well, in the second photo I have, the zace is in front and the crew is not visible either. So there are a total of 3? Two I have in front and one in the back !! And you can't move here "from behind" what you write about her. I would like to take a look at her !!


I wondered why it was like this - if there is a pump behind the tank - as there is something like that (see cutout), then there is a possible theory about pumping water into kandaks, cooling the engine or the like.
And the crew: see cutout 2 - maybe one of the crew is standing in a crowd by the tank ??? Looks like he's got underpants in his shoes - ??????? He stands with his back to the camera and his hands behind his back, ....
Valley
Flakpanzer Panther Ausf. D mit 3,7 cm Flak (poľná úprava) - Pumpa (???) za tankem

Pumpa (???) za tankem
Flakpanzer Panther Ausf. D mit 3,7 cm Flak (poľná úprava) - Jeden z posádky v hloučku lidí

Jeden z posádky v hloučku lidí
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the photo is from the same window and is only shifted slightly to the right, so only a few people in the square and the butt of the tank (not on her rear view, according to me it is either a snapshot of the before or after shot of what I gave. It at the curb should be a little pump connected to the municipal water distribution system, at least as it looks. Similar were to the sixties commonly seen..
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I do not know if it is abandoned, but between the first and second photo with the tank moved on Smile on the first (and better it is to see that what I have put I) the tank is parallel with the line which divides the square into squares (it's a different color cubes paving), on the other, but is no longer diagonally across them (about him parkovala lady Smile )
Under the shield is the gun really 37 mm Flak 43, but still more it seems to me that on a tank without a tower (perhaps to be used as a tractor or ARV) was just loaded this gun..
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1 - Well, still came to me one theory. It is no accident the crew / her part ( or at least the driver still in the vehicle? Therefore, it is possible to two shots otherwise built and when parking / taxiing took the photographer that it blikl out the window. It is therefore also around maybe a few people - at otáčejícího and couvajícího the machine is not very good to move. When we add to this that is supposed to be about the act of surrender when the germans are, řekněm nervous, armed,.....
And those civilians at the fountain (teda alesoň I think this fountain is) with backpacks and bágly look like that recede, or leaving with the germans. Could be a panther doproodné vehicle?
----- all just theory!


2 - Braňo threw the link i on the axis. Today there I took the last post about it, that might be a captured Bofors,...??? But it seems to me too strange,...
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Well in the answers you think he writes that it is the certainly the "typical shield 37 mm flaku" (that I agree with him Smile ) and as one of the options mentions captured boffors, but it is very unlikely to occur, both in the east did not use, but is greater than the 37 mm Flak and the Panther would take a lot more space, it that his shield (if it has it) looks completely different pomíjím, also the ammo is for the germans atypical and as far as I know they were used very little on a consistent habitats on the coast. Theoretically, it was more like a soviet "zenitka" (i.e. the 37 mm gun vz.39) that the germans used quite a bit and were converted to their ammo, but it also has a different shape of the shield. Get what is in the photo on the contrary, corresponds to the Flak 37mm pattern 43, corresponds to the length of the mainly (this is the zenitky longer).
When it comes to what is on the square, it's not a fountain but the plague column (baroque) the people around will be more people from the "wild release" which in JH took place immediately after the passage of the russians, one has related to him also participated Sad , and he was very fast. I don't know whether the photos are from one day, if yes then the one with people around the column is older, the shadows on her match around the time of noon, the one with the tank when it is slanted, then corresponds to the late afternoon, the shadow shows on the west, and is a long. I would rather it estimated that the germans are already gone and the Russian first wave has already swept through, now collect the "enemies" and then followed by the removal of, the photo with the tank slant is focená when you no longer are people with packages (probably the germans ) from the square away. note that the two pictures of the noon are on the square at least two kinds of civilians, one is on the column around the packages (apparently she was some kind of boundary weights), and the other is freely passes with empty hands, maybe you could even say that the man in the background (before the trade F. Krause) to oversee the collection (rather, I assumed that the supervision is by the town hall so somewhere under the window where the pictures). photos from the afternoon it is already very different in the square at the courají people and okukují, refugees are already gone. With the tank could popojet (unsuccessfully) to someone local, or even possibly someone from the russians of the first wave if he remained in the city. The second wave came rather on chariots with horses and witnesses is described as "the mongols" (how much you can believe I don't know, the pictures of what I appear as the car and the soldiers seem to me to be normal. By the way, about a kilometer from the square by the station remained after the germans Kingtiger, was probably the same unit and both would tipnul that postponed the vehicle for which it was fuel or ND..
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Hello, today I learned about this topic here on the forum, so I would like to contribute a little to the mill.


The Panther tank (or its chassis) entered the square on May 5, probably between 3 pm and 5 pm. He arrived at today's Rybniční street from the Vajgar pond (the street that leads away from the square in the photo). He "parked" in front of the Central Hotel, in front of a gas station (he later destroyed it by driving it). The tank in the first photo is heading to the then Opletalova Street (today Panská Street). Today, this street is a pedestrian zone, but before that a road led here.
The presence of the tank is not accidental. Just before that, negotiations on the takeover of the city took place at the town hall (it started sometime after 1 p.m.). However, RNV members did not participate in the meeting! But probably a group around Maj. A. Hradecký. While discussions with German Commissioner Chwostek at the town hall, "revolutionary enthusiasm" prevailed outside. People gathered in the square, hung banners, sang an anthem ... All members of the local underground began to be active. ..Around 3 pm, an incident took place in what was then Opletalova Street between a young man, J. Cirhan, and members of the SA. Cirhan carried several rifles from the castle and hurried with them across the city to the partisan headquarters. Another young man joined him at the beginning of the street. Both were stopped in the street, and after a short disobedience to a call to surrender their weapons, both young men were shot. Butcher L was also shot. Vomastek, who was standing nearby. Then the SA mani started firing towards the square and two other civilians (a man and a woman) were hit. Both eventually succumbed to their injuries. The whole square was basically surrounded by SA soldiers. Later, Panther arrived, firing a warning shot into the air. There was a bit of panic in the city. Only now does the still inactive RNV enter the scene, which quickly began to act at the town hall to prevent further fire (by the way, no one gave the order for the previous fire - the situation was really tense).
The negotiations were headed in the right direction (for the Czechs) and almost everything had been agreed upon, when an unexpected turn in the situation occurred later.
Around 5 pm, SS officer Bartel arrived in the city (his presence in JH is also interesting by the way) and when he saw what was happening here, he decided to intervene. He broke into the town hall, interrupted the meeting and acknowledged everything that had already been agreed. He himself took command of the city. After the news that partisans were gathering south of JH (later this information turned out to be planned), he declared a state of emergency in the city (it was announced by radio at 20:00). Bartel threatened that if something else was ground in the city, he would have the members of the RNV executed and have artillery fire opened on the city. (On the heights north of the city there were heavily armed artillery positions and in this area also operated a motorized SS unit). The threats were definitely not empty. It is stated that there were allegedly 7,000 German soldiers (SS, SA, Wehrmacht) in the city at the time. Bartel stayed at the Grand Hotel (the building behind the tank). He had the flak barrel aimed at the town hall and had a military patrol set up in front of the hotel entrance.
....
The tank left the square probably on the afternoon of May 8 with a group of soldiers who left the city with the local SS commander. I do not know his future yet.
The photos that are published here are probably from the period between 5 and 8 May. The ones photographed from the window are probably from the 1st floor of the town hall or from the apartment of Dr. Jurenka, who lived next door (but on the ground floor, probably not) on May 5, I would probably rule out - in my opinion it was otherwise busy and completely different atmosphere in the square (see earlier). Moreover, according to those shadows, it must have been around noon sometime, and the uprising did not begin until half past one, and the tank did not arrive until the afternoon. I wouldn't guess on May 8 either, because the Germans were leaving the city en masse, but that's my opinion. I think the photos were taken on May 6 or 7, more like the 7th. But again, this is a hypothesis.
Otherwise, I have all the information documented either by witnesses, or by a chronicler, or by the archive. I'm doing a diploma for it Smile But that doesn't mean that everything was as I wrote.
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otherwise, part of this theory is confirmed by the last mentioned here photo. It is certain, that is taken in the evening. Under the shadow of the plague column, which is situated on the east-i.e., that it creates a low setting sun. The Tank was also heading to the town hall and not into the street. So would it calmly could be 5.,6., or 7. may in the evening. But given the exceptional condition, I 5. netipoval..
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The technical description of the vehicle (the lombard point 1 on the first page). It will be a supplement and correction of some data. I'll leave the original for the possibility of confrontation and not to the text removed from the context of the following remarks.

The vehicle had a "normal" třítónovou camouflage of the German colors - the basis of the German yellow, on her big patches of green and brown. Indications (only visible) to form a narrow beam cross - white cabinets, the center of the black. Placed them on the side of the superstructure in the middle of the vehicle
Camouflage flaku is different. For the small spots and overall, it is against the vehicle very dark.

It is a modified Bergepanter (Ausf.(D). At the head of the machine is on the right side of the only one footboard - the few known photographs bergepanterů are seen two or three.
If the machine is equipped zimmeritem unfortunately, it is not clear from the photo even though it is against the here published a lot of detailed.
At the rear of the engine compartment is a great celta, the helmets of the crew and the crate.
The machine does not have the back of the scoop.
Photos from the right side ( from driver's view) captures only the right driver - nothing more Sad(
On any of these new shots not seen the crew of the machine.


Source : private collection photos via Valleys.
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Well "beautiful" Smile i'm afraid that the model is nothing, the modeler in question made a great model, but of something else. He used a different cannon (Tamiya makes a cannon of the same caliber but completely different) so I would not agree with the "beautiful". The fact that the thing looks nice is true, but if instead of FlAK 43, FlAK 37 is used, it is nonsense and according to the photos it is the first one (typical shield and other things), not the one that "was available" to the modeler in question (by the way, the second one is also made - Italeri). After all, if he had used the correct cannon he would have saved himself the trouble of making the cannon shield. So I don't consider it as a "beautiful model", more as an example of where not finding out what I am actually doing leads.
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