CZK - 7,65 mm samopal vz. 61

Photo version used by the Castle guard with magazine for 10 rounds.
Used to also stack to 20..

To the sets SA-61 in addition to their own weapons, vytěráku and bushings included 2 clips each 2 pieces of tray after 20 rounds.
The castle guard is definitely too (the kit is just a kit) and if I remember right, so the soldier went to the guards armed with weapons (Sa, Pi) with two full trays. It is essentially a citation of the regulation (I don't know what kind)-otherwise, if I remember it was a popular question in the examination on distributing. I just think that the "boys in blue" just those clips did not wear...
In addition to the shock absorbers (they were usually in NZ and it took a lot of work is here to dig up, when we at least wanted to try), it was possible to take either the axillary pouch to Sa-61 - a on it but I don't have good memories, tasilo upwards and much left to do on the body - of rubber across the back were usually pretty baggy.
The silencer was also quite kuriozitka on treatment - had on the body of the inscription "TO the 30 M POINT ABOUT 30 CM HIGHER up", if the man really not locked into the barrel collet (there was a recess around the perimeter) and shot the individual, or dose a little longer than he should, then it šeptadlo pretty burned. Also, it must have after a certain number of shots to change a rubber membrane with a cross-slit, she created a "chamber" in the body of the shock absorber. In front of her as a rule, the accumulated unburned šupinkový dust and then "blaflo" it was a messy one. Well and if it wasn't the collet dampers properly tight, could forward the "go out" instead of caliber 7.65 mm entire muffler - then shot sharply nadrážová...
If someone was jumping with Sa-58, so would like to add that for the skydiving with the Scorpion must have link (cord) holster with a gun in her belt) - the belt loops on the holstru should because stupid feature - rend and practice says that for a relaxant, i.e., "lucky" was a bottle of rum, but lose škorpíka, it was already řádský in trouble....

"scorpion"-zasobník in the details-20ranny..

zasobník in the details-20 early.

zasobník in the details of the -20's.

detail

For clarification


Accessories:
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smokebook
fly wrench
flat brush
5 trays - 1 short (10pcs) + 4 long (20pcs)
2 magazine pouches (for the four long ones, the short one in the gun)
hanging cord
canvas bag
oil can
wire brush
and an armpit pouch, belt as needed.


special accessories:
Silencer with bag


(copied from my notes from my HS days, so any mistakes are mine )

I'll add a few words, too.
The basic one was a 10 round magazine, with which the scorpion was carried in a holster (belt or underarm). The 20 rounders were carried in holsters, which were used when the gun was used as a submachine gun.
Without a backrest it was used as a pistol - it shot very well and was only slightly worse in accuracy than a special target gun. Shooting it (without any modification) at a 25m international target at 280/300 possible was no exception, it just required a muscular wrist as it was uncomfortably heavy on the muzzle and the grip was quite perpendicular. Again, it had a pleasantly soft trigger.
As a "long gun" it was used to shoot the Sa 61 3x20 50m events, target 135P - green uncovered lying figure with circles. A lot of shooters complained about the short rest and rested it on their face instead of their shoulder. Minimal recoil made it possible. The sights were easier to see - easier to focus the eye, but the low stability caused low shots.
When resting on the shoulder, the reticle appeared almost the width of the target and the sight had to be considered a diopter as it was close to the eye. Still, with this posture, absolute misses were not the exception (of course, only with shooters who were able to focus the eye at such an ultra-short distance).
Excellent accuracy not only in single shot firing, but also in short burst firing (up to 5 shots).


A desperate vice: the percussion tap just behind the catches - forming a kind of "tee" - liked to break. There hasn't been a race (I've shot or judged hundreds of them) where this spontaneous discharge didn't occur - then everything in the magazine "fired" regardless of whether the trigger was squeezed or not. Incidentally, the occasional "round-off" - two went instead of one when set to single shots (a tragedy in a race, zero could not be made up) was no exception either. This was caused partly by fouling, but more often by too gentle triggering.


In the late 80's, at the competitions I "whistled" at, I already warned the shooter during the initial instruction that anyone who put the gun down with the magazine inserted would go off the line immediately (disqualification). This was in fact a specialty of shooters who had a scope without a stand. There was a danger that the gun would start spinning when the weapon was fired.
After the "plushie" I was perhaps the only cop who not only had a scorpion assigned to him at all times, but was even allowed to take him home by special permission.


Yeah, it was a classy gun, even with that weakanti cartridge! I've never encountered any other caliber in practice. There was even a rumor (Palic) that it was originally intended to be a paratrooper's weapon, but that a hard bump caused the breech's metal case to "crumple" and thus render the weapon inoperable. But as you can see, it was probably just a rumor.

I'll throw in a characteristic of SA-61 copied from my notes from my VZS days:
The SA-61 is a simple, lightweight, single-shot, self-propelled handgun that uses the pressure of powder gases on the bottom of the cartridge case and thus on the breech face to recoil the breech. The bolt is returned to the forward position by the pressure of two return springs. The rifle is fitted with a decelerator which reduces the firing cadence and also acts as a recoil damper.

Yugoslavia produced the Scorpion under the designation "Zastava M 84" as an exact copy (in 1977-79) and as a self-loading, i.e. without the possibility of firing a burst, under the designations M85A and M85B. The self-loading guns were supposedly intended primarily for the civilian market. Sometimes it is possible to find that a self-loading weapon is marked M84A, but I have not been able to verify whether this is correct.
Source : http://www.armijabih.com/index-M84skorpion.html

I'm attaching one more study board

a little something in my archive

nepodařené nebo zbytečné fotky klidně promažte

continuation

a few more photos

So I managed to get hold of a photo of the silencer with the case from the "Silencer" Source: internet

Cleaning of Sa vz. 61 submachine gun:
-cleaning bag
-brush
-oil can
-1 part wiper
-cartridge
-brush for wiper
-fly/needle wrench

Source: own collection

Operátor ukrajinských špeciálnych síl cvičí so samopalom Škorpion vz.61.

for fantan: man Fantan, Sa vz. 61 was indeed the weapon of the members of reconnaissance and airborne units (usually officers, warrant officers, commanders of the smallest units/maybe the commander of a group of hpz or pzdr/ and specialists/maybe a radio operator and others/ what about the holster: consider it as a rumor or a fairy tale, for the jump you just tied the holster through the belt loop and the flap of the holster (so you wouldn't lose it in the air), nothing was put inside the holster, plain and simple - I've done some nice paracalls through the "scorp" too, and never had a problem with the breech holster denting (thank goodness for greater tolerances in manufacturing) - nor have my colleagues.... But a dented bolster was quite a common problem - and then the points went down during the technical inspection...
Fantan, are you seriously suggesting that I would spread such a rumour? Or did I misunderstand?

I'll join....
I'll send the dimensions of the shock absorber on Tuesday
I've shot scorp in all (7.65Br, 9M,9Br and 9Para) calibers and on the whole it's always comfortable, but carrying it in 9Para is a keel

I don't think that's true, the Yugoslavians produced the sa.vz.61 as the M84 in 7.65mm calibre and it differed from the Scorpions of the time by the use of a plastic grip

The article about the Yugoslavian production was once in Střelecká revue, sometime in the late 80's, the fact that it stated that the gun was redesigned to 9mm caliber and conversion to single shots stuck in my memory (in fact, in the article it was also mentioned as a rarity, because the scorpion is quite heavy for a pistol), I have no reason to doubt the claims in SR or Karaca, unfortunately, I can no longer find the original article:-(, I admit I would be interested in it myself after all these years.

I think that the claims are not mutually exclusive....is possible that the Yugoslav army introduced the scorpion in 7.65 Br firing a burst under the designation M-84 and then reconstructed to the 9mm (para, makarov, br.?) model firing only single...

Since I have a "Scorpio" permanently assigned to me and I carry it to duty almost all the time at my job (PCO), I'll add a few observations as well. First of all, it's pretty stupid to sit in the car with it (it takes 12 hours on duty). The trigger sensitivity is unreal, given that I can only recommend to everyone - don't carry a round in the chamber. A colleague who is also left-handed like me shot his leg that way. Back when he was serving in the "precinct" they went on some kind of bust and took a "scorpion" in addition to the pistol. He loaded, cocked the slide and holstered the gun. He caught on the flap and when he took the gun out to reholster it he flipped the slide. Then all he had to do was pull the trigger and he was done. Otherwise, the 7.65mm Browning is not a glorious caliber in terms of stopping power. But shooting this little toy is really nice. I have pretty long arms so I always rest the slide on my cheek and it's no problem. You can't even rest it on your shoulder very well in a vest. One guy once dropped a Scorpion from the 6th floor into an elevator shaft, I don't know how he managed it. But he kept shooting, only at the firing ranges instead of the target that was in front of him he had to follow the hits ob one target to the right.

Kubator (a všichni, kteří nosíte Sa 61): Přečti si, co jsem napsal na konci 1.strany 12.1.05!
Nosit "škorpa" s nábojem v komoře je smrtelně nebezpečné! Ne snad kvůli jemné spoušti, ale kvůli riziku, že se utrhne to koncové "T" bicího kohoutu a vyjde vše, co je v zásobníku!
Zažil jsem to mnohokrát (napsal bych 100x, ale třeba to bylo jen 99x, nebo 120x - nejsem si jist) a NENÍ TO SRANDA!!!
Opírání o tvář postačí do úrovně cca 90/100. Kdo chce víc, musí ho opírat o rameno.

Jugoslávci vyráběli jak škorpiona ve "full auto" verzi, to je jak bylo zmíněno M 84, tak jako "semi auto" a tato je snad označována jako M 85.



Ještě zde, tuším, nebylo zmíněno, že existovala svítící mířidla. Byla natřena radioaktivní barvou, na hledí se připevňovala zacvaknutím, na mušku se nasadil váleček, který byl jištěn zahnutým drátem vedoucím pod pouzdro u hlavně.


A jak by řekl komisař Cruchot: "a zas o frčku výš!"

S tou rádioaktívnou farbou to bolo myslené ako vtip, dúfam....

Chodzi o pewnie albo o Rad (cz. Radium: "Na ciferníky těchto hodinek se tenkým štětem nanášelo barvivo s obsahem radia, které pak ve tmě světélkovalo (luminiscence)" Wikipedie), albo o tryt (Tritum) i trytowe źródła światła (Self-powered lighting: "The emitted electrons from small amounts of tritium cause phosphors to glow so as to make self-powered lighting devices called trasers which are now used in watches and exit signs. It is also used in certain countries to make glowing keychains, and compasses. In recent years, the same process has been used to make self-illuminating gun sights for firearms. These take the place of radium, which can cause bone cancer, and so has been banned in most countries for decades.")

Psalo to tak v publikaci Ing. Fencla a jednalo se snad o citaci origo předpisu. Také bych se přikláněl spíše k luminoforu. Nevěda však nic bližšího, uvedl jsem to (bez citace pramenu) jak to bylo uvedeno.

Já tato mířidla mám doma a v předpise (i pro SA vz.58, na který existovala obdobná) je výslovně napsáno, že je mj. zakázáno z důvodu radioaktivity nosit je dlouhodobě na těle (v kapse), byť v pouzdru (kovová krabička).

Barva je opravdu radioaktivní (byť slabě) a její vyzařováni je prostě fakt, mimochodem radioaktivní je většina "luminiscenčních" tedy světlo vyzařujících barev. Od někud tu energii přeci brát musí (na to svícení) jinak by musela být miřidla před použitím exponována třeba UV zářením což je docela nevhodné (těžko můžete dopředu vědět e je budete potřebovat a nechat je třeba na slunci) navíc takto "aktivované" svícení je jen časově omezené a postupně slábne.

Jistě, sice výrobce uvádí omezenou dobu použitelnosti (několik let, teď přesně nevím), takže to samozřejmě postupem času slábne, ale je to fakt.

Škorpión (původně se skutečně psal s dlouhým ó)byl zbraní na zakázku MV pro "speciální bezpečnostní aktivity", tedy především špióny v zahraničí, s čímž souvisí i tlumič a ráže 7,65 Br, neboť tato munice byla všude běžně dostupná, a to i komerčně.

Jak to funguje
Princip svítících miřidel u zbraní je založen na použítí GTLS (Gaseous Tritium Light Source). V podstatě to jsou uzavřené duté kapsle, nebo trubičky z boritého skla, na jejichž vnitřní stranu je nanesen fosforový prášek, nebo barva. Ty kapsle (trubičky) jsou dále naplněné plynem tritia a jsou přilepené na miřidla.
Tritium je izotop vodíku, je lehce radioaktivní (neškodný lidskému organismu). Je to v podstatě BETA zářič, emitující elektrony, které trvale aktivují ten nanesený fosfor a zařízení trvale svítí. Poločas rozpadu tritia je zhruba 12 let, což je v podstatě životnost takového zařízení. Nicméně v praxi je to použitelné asi do necelé poloviny této doby (4-5 let), pak se to vyhazuje, protože intenzita svítivosti jejiž velmi malá.
Zařízení bylo poprvé použito švýcarskými hodináři při výrobě náramkových hodinek na zakázku pro potřeby armády.

Podrobný popis funkce takového zařízení je možné nalézt na celé řadě webových stránek.

vz. 61 s pouzdrem

All-metal shock absorber for Sa 61


In 1974, the TLUMIVKA task was completed in VÚ 010/01, under which a new silencer for Sa vz.61 Scorpion, introduced in CSLA reconnaissance units, was tested.
During the tests the silencer showed much better properties than the known design with two rubber baffles (model Na 50m, aiming 30cm lower). Besides better attenuation and high durability, it was the first silencer I know of that REDUCED the weapon's dispersion.
Has anyone seen this suppressor anywhere in a combat unit or in any MV "specials" ?

A few comments on this topic:
On carrying a gun with a round in the chamber,a classic urban legend,bandied about 1000 times on the net,said hammer catch only breaks if the user is a "dilino" and shoots long term with a gun where the hammer stop pin is missing.It can't break off by itself in any case,moreover,it's a hell of a problem to break it off in a vice,by hitting it with a hammer.Moreover,if the machine gun is secured,the slide of the gun is secured against sliding at the same time,and the slide catch is made of such a high quality material that the slide just can't cut it.If you don't believe it,just hold it up with your finger before firing.The slide will bend slightly,but not cut it,so no further firing will take place.If someone at the competition had already put the machine gun on the table with the cartridge in the chamber,he was obliged to secure it,if he did not secure it,it was a reason for disqualification,dear judges.And as I already mentioned,a secured machine gun can't drop a round like that,let alone spin around on the table and shoot,as it is circulating on the net.
Silencers,there were three factory variations,plus three different holsters for them.
The first variant-it is listed in the prescription,with two perforated inserts in the front,but no other baffles,just a longitudinally perforated tube inside.
The second variant, the well-known "At 50m aim 30cm below" variant (not Na30m miř 30cm higher,as it is erroneously written in the first post).On the barrel of the submachine gun there is no breech but only a rim.It had two perforated inserts in the front part
The third variant-only tapered baffles,two different case diameters,pictured above,but was primarily designed and projected for the unintroduced vz.82 submachine gun.
Holsters:leather,leather with pouch for shoot-through inserts,and canvas with leather trim for a third type of silencer.It still included an aluminum painted rod with a plastic plunger on the end for disassembling and folding the silencer.
To the illuminated sights,these did not contain any tritium tubes,they were only painted with phosphorescent radioactive paint and covered with translucent plastic,structurally identical to the illuminated sights of vz.58.The half-life of the element in the paint has already passed,so the illumination does not take place anymore even after illumination with uv light.Jozo

please would you be able to tell for which type of shock absorber this housing was designed:

Pre druhý typ tlmiča,veľmi pekný kúsok.

Thank you very much for your answer.
I don't know exactly which one is mentioned there, but I found one picture and I assume it could be from it. Don't you happen to know if there is a better picture? I would like to make a model in that case just according to the picture I have/and give me here/it really doesn't work.
and was it still possible to place some of the newer types in the case or did it carry it due to dimensional reasons?

Fotky tohto typu niesu nikde, naživo som ho videl, ale nebolo dovolené fotenie.Z rozmerových dôvodov sa do toho druhý typ nezmestí, priemer by aj bol tuším,ale dlžkovo nie.Prikladám fotky púzdra pre prvý typ.

este raz dakujem za odpoved.
je skoda ze neexistuje foto alebo lepsi obrazok na ten prvi typ tlmica.na druhy je fotiek dostatok len zasa nemam puzdro.
kazdopadne vdaka za ozrejmenie problematiky.

Hasaghk
tak konecne sa mi dostal do ruk zmieneny predpis a podla neho to vyzera ze puzdro ktoreho fotku ste sem dali vy je na ten prvi tip ktory je v tom predpise a ten moj na druhy tip. ten vas podla tej kresby aj skor pasuje a tie nahradne prestrelitelne vlozky sa nemaju nosit v puzdre pod tym jazyckom ale vo vrecku s prislusenstvom.
aspon tak je to pisane,aka bola ale realita neviem.ale rovnako potom neviem na co by bol na tom mojom puzdre ten jazycek vo vnutri.

The tongue is basically a "pouch" for carrying spare inserts, as I have already written.The regulation is referred to as a "prozamtí", i.e. temporary, so not all things were mentioned in it.Because things around it continued to evolve and be modified.But the next and supplemented regulation was never issued, and the overall interesting thing is that the vz.61 submachine gun itself was never officially introduced into the army by any decree.

Tak ten má od nejakého špeciálneho operátora riadne ďaleko... Nejak nevidím význam pridávať takéto videá, kde nieje vlastne vôbec nič zaujímavé.